Socialism is a mode of production and distribution where the working classes control the state, and public ownership is the principal (rising and dominant) aspect of the economy. Communism is a post-socialist mode of production and distribution where the entire economy is collectivized and planned, and there is no longer a state, class, or money. See Cheng Enfu’s diagram:
BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
You have a horrible understanding of reality.
If two people get together and put all of their earnings into a pot together, then each take out what they need. That’s a type of communism. It’s also usually called a family.
Marxism/Leninism are specific type of communism as well, that reach well into the political space as well as the economic.
What you’re trying to do right now, imposing your own singular view of what communism can be, is the same as saying Catholicism is the only type of Christianity just because it’s the most well known.
There’s a whole wikipedia article detailing dozens of variations of Communism, from Marxism to variations on Marxism, to variations independent of Marxism. Just because he did a lot of thinking on the whole thing doesn’t mean he’s the only one who gets to define the word.
en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_communist_ideologies
OilyArena@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
You seem like you’re suffering from a bad case of Dunning-Kruger. You’ve been explained very basic terms multiple times, but you keep repeating your completely wrong understanding undeterred, with brazen authority.
BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Are you saying that I made up an entire Wikipedia article with dozens of variations of Communism?
That page has existed for 2 years, not sure I’m playing that long of a game to win an argument on Lemmy.
It’s like you’re intentionally just ignoring everything I show you because it doesn’t conform to your world view.
OilyArena@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
Literally the first sentence of your wikipedia article explains that these are different ideologies trying to achieve the same thing, a communist society.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
The fact of the matter is that Marxism-Leninism is what communism means for 99.9% of historical practice. Someone trying to describe sharing as “communism” when OP is talking about actual modes of production and distribution is missing the forest for the trees. Marx didn’t define communism, he created an ideology that better understands how to actually achieve it and why it is historically compelled, what gives him validity is that the only socialism that has actually existed at scale in real life has come from Marxism-Leninism.
BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
You clearly didn’t read the links either. There are actively practiced forms of communism listed in there. You’re the ones just being so narrowminded about it’s definition.
For most of historical practice, gay meant happy. We decided to use it for something else only recently in terms of language. That’s how language works.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Not a single one of the ideologies listed on that page has successfully established socialism except for the derivatives of Marxism-Leninism, such as Juche. The closest is Zapatismo, but Zapatismo does not consider itself communist, nor socialist, nor anarchist, and instead is a primarily indigenous ideology related to the Chiapas region.