OilyArena
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- Comment on What's the difference between socialism and communism? Is there one? Or are the terms interchangeable? 11 hours ago:
Look: you can either own means of production and be part of the ruling class, or you can not own any and be forced to sell your labor for the rest of your life. A social welfare state is something that purposely built by the ruling class to further their interests, with some concessions to past union efforts.
That’s not what socialism is, trust me, I live in a country with one of the oldest and strongest Social Democratic impact in the world, and while the effects of that are still nice today they do not change anything about the fact that a huge majority works to enrich a tiny minority, and Social Democrats like you have never seriously put an effort into changing that, historically.
- Comment on What's the difference between socialism and communism? Is there one? Or are the terms interchangeable? 11 hours ago:
So you’re a Social Democrat, got it. Those are pretty out of fashion over here and gave up pretending wanting to achieve Socialism long ago. Sorry, but I don’t really think that what you’re talking about is Socialism, it’s liberal reformism.
- Comment on What's the difference between socialism and communism? Is there one? Or are the terms interchangeable? 12 hours ago:
Yes, they may be state-owned, but you still live in a bourgeois state with capitalist ownership structure, so the state doesn’t act in the workers interest, but to uphold the capitalist order.
By the way, would you mind telling me what country that is? Most EU countries with strong state-owned infrastructure that I’m aware of have been forced to liberalize, so for example in my country lots of former state enterprises are now private profit-bound businesses that are just 100% owned by the state.
- Comment on What's the difference between socialism and communism? Is there one? Or are the terms interchangeable? 12 hours ago:
I don’t think you understand what an economic class is. A new class does not emerge because one person is more productive for society than another. It’s a question of what your relation to the means of production is, and in a communist, classless society there would be no inequality there.
Could you provide a few alternate definitions of Communism? Sounds interesting.
- Comment on What's the difference between socialism and communism? Is there one? Or are the terms interchangeable? 1 day ago:
The different types of Socialists disagree on how to achieve the classless society called Communism (including Anarchists, by the way), but the end goal of a classless society is the same. There is no seperate “Marxist” definition of communism, he just took an idea that was considered utopian before him and turned it into a science.
- Comment on What's the difference between socialism and communism? Is there one? Or are the terms interchangeable? 1 day ago:
How in the world do you come to the conclusion that Scandinavian workers own the means of production? Nothing even remotely close to that is the case, they just have a relatively well-funded welfare state, that has nothing to do with Socialism.
- Comment on What's the difference between socialism and communism? Is there one? Or are the terms interchangeable? 1 day ago:
Why does this have so many upvotes? It’s completely wrong. Social welfare and shared infrastructure have nothing to do with Socialism. Socialism is an economic model where the means of production are owned by the workers, nothing more, nothing less.
- Comment on What's the difference between socialism and communism? Is there one? Or are the terms interchangeable? 1 day ago:
Just FYI, the 2 parent comments are completely wrong and you shouldn’t remember these definitions.
Socialism = means of production are owned by society, but classes still exist (the working class rules over the former bourgeoisie)
When that process is finished and classes and contradictions that lead to them have been completely abolished, that’s communism.
Which is the same society that Anarchists want to achieve, the only difference is that Anarchists don’t have a coherent plan on how to get there.