Dumbass, your country uses prisoners for slaves even in California. It’s not some niche occurance. Your defense of it is disgusting.
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mechoman444@lemmy.world 3 weeks agoOk. Louisiana has one of the worst prison systems in America. The judicial system is irrationally racist against black men.
Congratulations on pinpointing one of the horrendous social issues that we have in America.
What country are you from?
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
mechoman444@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Hold on. I’m not defending anything. I am outright stating that we are doing this.
Our prison system is atrocious. It’s third world. It’s absolutely terrible.
What country are you from?
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Yeah, because it uses slavery lol. We aren’t talking about my country, we’re talking about America, which is currently aiding a genocide in the middle east, and starting multiple wars this year alone, all while using slavery for manual labor.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
We don’t use slavery for manual labor. That’s an extreme exaggeration of what’s happening in a small number of prisons in a handful of states.
If you’d like to discuss wage inequality or the wealth gap, I’m happy to do that—but it’s a different conversation than the one we’re having here.
So why aren’t we talking about your country?
I think I understand why you won’t answer. There are only two possibilities: either you’re from America, in which case you’re applying a double standard, or you’re from another country with its own serious problems, in which case you’re hardly in a position to lecture anyone.
There isn’t a single country on Earth, past or present, that hasn’t committed moral wrongs or isn’t currently grappling with serious moral failings. That doesn’t excuse them, but it does mean criticism should be applied consistently rather than selectively.
Krono@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
The “horrendous social issue” at hand is forcing people to work without pay. Another word for this is “slavery”. I’m sure you’ve caught on by now that the 13th amendment has a loophole for enslaving convicts.
Not sure how it’s relevant, but I live in the US.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I am aware of all of this, and I’ve consistently acknowledged it throughout this entire exchange. I’m not deceiving myself into believing I live in some kind of utopia. I don’t. America has very serious problems.
I asked what country they’re from because it’s relevant to the discussion. There is not a single country on Earth that is free of blemishes, whether in its history or in its present.
Calling America a bad country while living in a country with its own serious flaws is an act of hypocrisy.
We’re all just people living on the same planet, each under whatever political system we happened to be born into.
If you live in America, then you know how good many aspects of life are here. It’s not the best country on Earth, and we absolutely have severe problems that need to be addressed. But it’s still a good place to live, with good people and a culture that has produced an enormous amount of good for the world. Our leadership is often disappointing, and the rise of nationalism is genuinely concerning. Those are problems worth opposing in every lawful way we can.
What I’m not willing to do is join in treating America as though it’s uniquely evil while ignoring the faults of every other nation. I love the United States. I’m a patriot. I love the people who live here, and I have no desire to leave for another country.
Krono@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Wait, so now you have “consistently acknowledged” that the US has legalized slavery enshrined in the Constitution? This is very confusing, as we can all scroll up and see your earlier comments.
A real patriot acknowledges their country’s faults, no matter how difficult this may be. A real patriot does not stick their head in the sand and make excuses about “the faults of every other nation”. I get the strong impression that you are not a real patriot.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Feel free to check my comment history at any point. I’ve admonished America on many levels. We have very serious problems, and I even acknowledged that in the comment above.
I’ll tell you what I tell everybody else: antebellum chattel slavery in the United States is not the same thing as requiring labor from a convicted felon. Even then, incarcerated felons retain a multitude of constitutional rights.
You have no reason to believe what I’m about to tell you because I have no way to prove it. But I’ve done time in the U.S. prison system, so I’m uniquely familiar with that environment. As flawed as our court system is, and as dysfunctional as some of our prisons are, I can tell you that I and the people I served time with deserved to be there.
Does our prison system need reform? Absolutely. Probably more than almost any other institution in the United States right now.
I also stand up for my country when I see people making unsubstantiated blanket statements about things they know nothing about. Many of them probably learned about America’s problems through their own state-run or heavily biased media.
The rest of the world often dislikes America, and sometimes for legitimate reasons. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to sit quietly while some bloke on Lemmy badmouths the country I love.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I get the strong impression that they’re fucking stupid.