I don’t think I said that arts alone are the be all and end all of civilization.

I was speaking more to the idea of education creating ‘the whole man.’

I was taught that da Vinci was the perfect Renaissance Man because he was skilled in arts, music, and engineering.

Take the first case cited in the tape; how many NASA engineers were weavers? Probably not many, but I’d bet a lot of them had grandmothers who used looms. Or maybe they’d heard about they’d ‘programmed’ looms back in the day.