Government institution = fascist services. Nice. Remind me to not march beside you when we finally take down the oligarchs.
Comment on Do you think that Edward Snowden is a hero?
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Most of us here are more of a hero, because we had the backbone to never actually work for those fascist services to begin with.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
With the understanding that secret police is on your side, you will never take down anyone.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Government institution = fascist services.
The NSA? Yes ofc.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
Point taken. I guess I should completely amend my argument; the real point is that Snowden blew the whistle exactly on what makes the NSA so bad (nowadays).
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
To the surprise of no one who had been reading the news, though. It was mostly putting some details to thinks we already knew about. Still, I commend he did do it, and I wish he could live a life less controlled by those in power - but I don’t consider him a hero. More like a tragical figure.
Maeve@kbin.earth 2 weeks ago
I'm going to disagree a little bit. Even if you work for a small private company, you're still complicit. Create or make some niche product and sell IRL/online, you're still complicit. Using the device I'm on, I'm complicit. The only way to not be any kind of complicit is to never be born. And we don't get a say. If we had survival skills, we may manage to stay offgrid, hunt, fish, steal for subsistence until we die or go to prison, then complicit again.
It's a matter of degrees, and I maintain we don't all at once sell our souls in one grand bargain, signed on our own blood. It's more of being, if you'll excuse the analogy, being born a sinner with the only absolution, especially for those without means, is to simply die. And survival instinct is strong.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We don’t disagree - I commented something very similar deeper down in this thread. have no idea how to link it here though on mobile - my apologies.
Maeve@kbin.earth 2 weeks ago
No worries, I saw it after. Thanks for your response.
Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Most of us here are more of a hero” Did you risk your life too?
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You missed the point. To get that kind of knowledge, he first had to subscribe to the evil team. Which he did. It would be different if he had joined from the beginning with the motive to expose unlawful practices by the services. It is more heroic to not join team evil in the first place.
Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Have you not watched his documentary? Or are you just guessing this?
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Guess what, I even read “No place to hide” by Glenn Greenwald / Ed Snowden. I never said Snowden is bad, but he was naive and quite fucking stupid to think he was working for “the good guys” initially. I am glad he had a change of heart and did what he did. Nevertheless it is more heroic to stay away from evil deeds than change your mind after partaking and then step away.