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Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 day agoDepends on the circumstances. I’m fine with killing prisoners during a war, when battle is actively happening and could be here soon. But if we roll into town with a few tanks and they all put their hands up and there are no signs of any other danger, I say no killing. We gotta treat our POWs nicely.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Then you’re not “I think only active combatants should be killed” like you previously mentioned. You’re a step closer to “we’re gonna do some shit to make sure our vision of future humanity becomes the baseline”. You can recognize a Nazi when they reveal themselves. You’re a better person for trying to appeal to their humanity. At some point you just say “fuck you, c’mon and try”. And that effort is not a guarantee of success. A lot of us are going to lose if we do.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 day ago
Maybe I have a bit of a different definition of active than you do, I dunno. I mean, I’m fine with dropping a big bomb on a base full of sleeping IDF soldiers. Cause when they wake up, they’re gonna go murder children like they’ve been ordered to. I’m talking about making a determination of whether there’s a state of warfare imminent to the situation. How much risk is there, that they’re gonna start taking innocent lives if left to go about their business? That’s what I’m worried about.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 23 hours ago
I can’t predict where it’s going to fit my moral convictions any better than you can. I’d like to think I have a good baseline when it comes to recognizing human value and potential ability for harm vs potential to change. I’d like to fight our fights in a clean “good vs evil” framework. I don’t like I’d be okay with “fuck ‘em all, they’re irredeemable bastards”. They are still people, and even if they’re fully committed to their cause, however wrong i might think they are, they’re still human.
That hesitation you have, that recognition that they have a choice over their actions when they wake up and kill kids because they chose to follow orders for whatever reason they do, even if they as an individual question it? Yeah, that’s real, you can spend the rest of your life debating in your head “were they brainwashed” vs “were they redeemable” vs “maybe”’ vs “I halted harm” vs “why did I chose to prevent it with the level of prevention I did” vs “you gave me know choice but to end your existence”. If you end up living and they don’t because of your actions, that will be your burden to bear.
The idea you could drop a big bomb is pleasant. It’s impersonal and wipes a threat without the nitty gritty. Sometimes that happens, a lot of times it doesn’t. If you want to commit to the cause you say you believe in, to put yourself between the most vulnerable and those who would eradicate them, it’s going to get ugly. You don’t get to pick your enemies, they aren’t always who you’d like them to be. Nobody who cares emerges “clean” nor walks out feeling justified.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 22 hours ago
Yeah, I know. There’s even some Arabs in American who voted for Trump because he said he was going to end the genocide in Gaza. They got lied to. And those people, who agree with Me on most points of ethics and political issues, I still count them as enemies. I know it’s not always clear who the good guys are. But I know the good guys aren’t the people saying “Kill all X”. Because we tried “kill all Nazis”, and then Russia said “There’s Nazis in Ukraine, we’re gonna go kill all Nazis” and they used it for evil. And we tried “kill all antisemites”, and then Israel said “There’s antisemites in Gaza, we’re gonna go kill all antisemites”. “Kill all X” is just inherently easy for evil regimes to use as a justification for whatever they wanted to do anyway. It’s not a useful meme.