Comment on How come Mark Wahlberg got a pass for being the crap out of a Vietnamese guy. But Kevin Spacey, Bill Cosby, Weinstein, do not get a pass? Beside the sexual aspect what is the difference?

• Solumbran@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Wow, rapist supporters always have this shitty “argument” that never works. Are you so scared of being accused of rape?

  Anyways, this doesn’t work because there is a pretty big amount of reasons to not believe you here (duh). And in the case someone accused me seriously and credibly of rape, then yeah, I would expect people who don’t have evidence pointing one way or another to believe the victim. Sorry, you might be used to your sense of selfishness altering your moral beliefs but it doesn’t work here.

  Also, even if I were a rapist as you said, it would not bear any weight in my argument that victims should be believed. If anything, if even rapists were saying that, it would just prove my point even more.

  You’re just using the same pathetic attack that everyone who tries to defend rapists ends up using. Are you all brainwashed clones, or just one guy with a lot of fake accounts?

  And nice link, but

  There’s a big stretch between claiming on a case by case basis that justice has been miscarried, and making a flat out statement that […] victims shouldn’t be believed a priori. I guess your rules only apply on others, once again your moral stances seem to shift with the wind.

  20 accusers is a form of evidence, but not 1 accuser? Then how many is evidence, two? Three? And according to your argument, evidence doesn’t matter since what matters is innocence until proof of guilt, which implies being judged and condemned. Unless you consider that you have the authority to decide who is guilty and who isn’t, and then your whole initial point doesn’t exist.

  Of course you believe your family, but why? Because families never lie? No, it’s just that you respect your family and you understand that claiming to having been raped is a challenge on its own. Yet you consider that if a stranger does it, they’re lying unless they can prove it. That’s called being a self-centered jerk.

  In the case of an opposition between two unbalanced sides, not deciding is siding with the more powerful side. If you see a nazi in the street beating up a black guy, and you think “I’m not going to take a decision because maybe the black guy started the fight, I don’t have enough information to defend either side”, you’re not neutral, you’re a nazi supporter. Same if you hear a black guy say that he’s been beaten up by a nazi without proof of it, and you decide to stay “neutral”. Once again, that’s a stance that is known to be wrong and to favour the oppressors.

  I really need to just write a book that debunks the stupid pro-rapists arguments and send it to all of your group whenever you send a comment, I’m sick of having to write the same things every few months because you and your clones are so scared that someone would accuse you of rape or something. Always the same bullshit over and over, the “you are a rapist. Now prove that you’re not” sentence written almost word by word, all that crap that even a 10 years old would be able to debunk but that for some reason resonates in all the rapists defenders.

  What goes through your mind, really? “But what if people say that I raped them”? Because I never felt threatened by that, but maybe that’s because I know that I never raped anyone.

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• sportsjorts@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I get what you’re saying but you are on the wrong side of this m. Rape cases in America are systematic dismissed buried lost corrupted or flat out ignored. It’s a serious epidemic and the amount of lives ruined by false accusations pales in comparison to the amount of victims that come forward and the amount of those who are too afraid to come forward.

  Also you can always appeal your case. Victims have no recourse and now voice the majority of a time. It’s not even close to comparable. It’s almost like voter fraud with the amount of cases where someone has lied about being raped.

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  • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s a serious epidemic and the amount of lives ruined by false accusations pales in comparison to the amount of victims that come forward and the amount of those who are too afraid to come forward.

    That’s a false dichotomy. Not believing accusations by default doesn’t mean we disbelieve them either, or discourage victims from reporting. It just means judgement needs to be withheld pending investigation.

    Also you can always appeal your case.

    Not how it works for rape accusations. You don’t have to be convicted to lose your job, friends, family. If you’re a victim of a false accusation, you’re as much a victim as any rape victim.

    It’s not even close to comparable. It’s almost like voter fraud with the amount of cases where someone has lied about being raped.

    Nobody’s claiming the numbers are similar. I’m pointing out the absurdity of defaulting to believing any accusation without evidence.

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    • sportsjorts@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      There is what you are talking about and then there is the reality of the sexual assault crisis in America. I understand what you are saying. But the reality of the situation is that people who step forward should be given the benefit of the doubt because of the evidence and history of sexual violence especially towards children and women being ignored in the United States and the absolute miscarriage of justice that is. The balance as it stands now is hardly any of rape or sexual misconduct allegations are taken seriously or even investigated.

      Just look at our president and his history with abusing minors and adults basically all out in the open for decades. That is the state of justice with regards to sexual assault in the U.S.

      There is not an epidemic of people losing their jobs or becoming social pariahs because of false rape claims. There is an epidemic of sexual violence against children and women and men in the United States. No one is convicted because someone just claims they have been assaulted.

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      • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You’re a rapist.

        Prove otherwise or go to jail.

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