Comment on We produce more resources than we could ever consume in the least sustainable ways possible.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 week agoAs I said above, I’m not an ecofascist. I don’t support mass killing of vulnerable groups on the grounds of ecological efficiency. I don’t believe in the superiority of one lineage or genetic population over another. And because I believe in Mister Darwin’s good theory on the origin of species, I extend this lack of belief in genetic superiority to our cousins in the animal kingdom. I do not think humans have the right to declare themselves superior to their cousins on the basis of some idea of better genes or superior lineage.
Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 week ago
Animal husbandry is not an unique thing to humans only. I think it’s incredibly arrogant to think we’re so above nature we aren’t part of it just like ants, rodents, deer or tigers or whatever are. We should strive for eating as few animal products we can since we’re killing the planet with our over-consumption - and factory farming is a grotesque crime against nature. But some random siberian nomad with their reindeer is living way more sustainably than any vegan that’s sitting on a computer and writing here is.
Farming always requires killing, even if it’s just growing crops. Just controlling the rodent populations alone means either poison or cats. And the bigger the operations, the more you need to kill
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 week ago
Would you eat a human? Would you farm humans? Breed and raise them so you can eat them?
Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 week ago
I wouldn’t, but I wouldn’t farm and eat whales, apes, crows, parrots or elephants for example either. Where’s the threshold for what’s intelligent enough to eat? I don’t know, but it’s not a cuteness factor, I would farm and eat rabbits and I’ve kept pet rabbits and love them. Or I would eat a beloved horse that had to be put down, that’s just the respectful thing to do. Would you require that the random siberian nomad leaves their lifestyle and gives up their culture, just because you’d deem them keeping and eating their reindeer worse than you eating crops that are killing millions of birds, insects and rodents? Considering all animals equal, they’re still killing way less than we are
Though I also wouldn’t eat humans because it increases the risk for prion diseases. Especially the brains should not be eaten
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 week ago
I’d eat humans. I’ll gladly grill up some billionaires and have them with barbecue sauce. I think people with terminal diseases should have the option of signing a consent waiver to be eaten, with a strict prohibition on any sort of monetary transaction surrounding the meat. I was also really looking forward to Bite Labs’ celebrity eats. I wanted a taste of some famous people’s cloned meat.
But I wouldn’t support farming of humans. If money is involved in the ending of people’s lives, I’m not. And I think it’s horrific to raise humans for eating. Same for any animal. The only form of animal agriculture I’m okay with is Aboriginal Australian animal agriculture. Before colonisation, the First Australians would use cold fire to terraform the ecosystem into an ideal habitat for grazing and eating. That’s a form I’m okay with. The animals are free to go where they like, and live how they please until they’re killed. There’s no imprisonment or forced labour, no slavery. And the totem system ensures respect and sustainability.
I won’t pass judgement on groups I haven’t studied, but I’ll say this: I’m dead sure there’s no white tradition of farming animals for meat that I’m okay with. And I have yet to be told any tales of a culture whose animal agriculture can compare to the ethical standards set by the Australians. There are only two non-Aboriginal ways of using animals I’ve decided I’m okay with: Beekeeping, because bees can just fly away if the queen’s wings aren’t clipped. And hunting wild kangaroos, because they need to be hunted or culled or they’ll overpopulate.