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• FishFace@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I can’t find any corroboration of that, can you say more? The D&D thing specifically was started by someone whose son committed suicide and she attributed his death to D&D.

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  • NannerBanner@literature.cafe ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The right wing of america and the various christian cultural movements/monoliths have been allies since roughly the reagan campaign. The power of that alliance is a large part of the republican’s base/power. The politicians on the right have a great deal of push on them to parrot christian talking points, like the satanic panic of various flavors that was pushed about music and activities like D&D.

    So while the d&d being evil may not have started as right wing propaganda, it quickly became so due to the way the cultural onus of christianity pushed politicians into acting. You can see the same thing with ‘christian’ values around political fighting with abortion, teenage pregnancy / sex education, israel (though that one is obviously much more complicated than just ‘church leaders fetishes -> politicians’ stances), ‘morality’ based laws around prostitution and gambling, etc.

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    • FishFace@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That doesn’t sound like a disinformation campaign though.

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      • NannerBanner@literature.cafe ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Your view of whether it is disinformation depends on whether you believe church leaders and politicians had sincere beliefs about it, so, obviously, that’s going to be pretty personal to you. I have met several federal level politicians and ‘influential’ church leaders and gotten to know them well enough that I can say they push lies with intent, so I’d be confident in stating that the various flavors of satanic panic weren’t entirely organic and honest.

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  • Nouvellalia@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    In addition to what the other poster responded, the “satanic panic” was fanned to divert attention away from very real pedophile rings. Just like pizzagate was started to deal with leaks of the epstein/trump ring.

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    • FishFace@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Source?

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      • Nouvellalia@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I mean, there is no cnn story linking operation paperclip psychologists and other scientists, and the newly founded CIA, to attempts at creating a master race/gaining kompromat/having a good excuse for pedo parties, but you can find evidence scattered about if you feel like diving into it.

        There were early hits in the Laurel Canyon area in the 60s and 70s, then stuff scattered around the country, Nebraska, Nevada, Florida, New York, etc. In the early 80s there were a couple of sherifs, each in different states, who simultaneously started raising huge alarm bells because they discovered a genuinely well funded and organized network dedicated to smuggling children. A few years later the “panic” started, key figures from court cases “committed suicide” or had planes and cars crash horrifically, and then it was over.

        I was personally there for the beginning of “pizzagate”, begrudgingly spending time going through distilled and raw feeds because it was originally high quality information on financial trails created by one of these deeply embedded groups. Within less than two weeks it was completely destroyed by limited hangouts and utterly insane disinformation. Two weeks later that hit the regular news feeds.

        I don’t have a bunch of charlie-and-his-red-string links for you or a web of names and ties to things. They are useless anyway, as people either latch on to the wrong things and go schizo, or ignore years of methodical and sourced research. And anyway, that kind of research gets you attention I just don’t want.

        But the shape of these things is there. The above is plenty to get looking, yourself. You’ll see it if you are dedicated to raw information feeds and niche researchers who source their osint and don’t fall into their own navel. So be on the lookout.

        If you’re not dedicated to information in this way, don’t worry about it, just let the monsters in the dark do their thing. Nothing really to be done about them anyway.

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