Comment on .ml has got to be the only place on earth where I'd get downvoted for a comment like this
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 day agoThere are so many sources. Look at wiki. When a family runs a country you can clearly see. If there was some ambiguity on who is running the country you would have a point. But that’s not the case it’s run by the family, what do you call a country that is run by a Familial dynasty where the guy is known as the “Supreme leader”?
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
The Kim family does have outsized influence, but the DPRK is not a hereditary monarchy. For example, the position of President, held by Kim Il-Sung, was abolished and split into multiple positions upon his death. This is why he is remembered as the “Eternal President.” As such, both Kim Jong-Il and Kim Jong-Un have held different positions. Both have held high positions, for example Kim Jong-Il had the title of General Secretary of the Worker’s Party of Korea, a position held by Kim Jong-Un presently. However, this is not the whole story.
The DPRK has a much more distributed level of power, and the Kim family is both widely supported due to its influence, and yet is not the undisputed top-dog, so to speak. What’s more, the Kim family is so venerated precisely because the legacy of Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-Il is lived memory, imagine if Lenin had survived and raised his children as successors. It would be no wonder that the soviets would have elected his children, but it would not be a monarchy either.
Finally, class. Class is not a level of material wealth, but a relation to production and distribution. The DPRK is overwhelmingly publicly owned and planned, administration is not a distinct class in and of itself but a subset of broader classes, same with intellectuals. What determines class is based on that key aspect, the Kim family does not own capital but instead recieves wages from the state. Kim Jong-Un is largely used as a symbol, one that is democratically elected and directly trained by his father for the position.
This is why it’s important to actually study the real systems at play, rather than coast on pre-formed opinions drilled into us about the DPRK from western media. The Black Panther Party maintained good relations with the DPRK, visiting it and teaching Juche to Americans.
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Yes, there are indeed a lot of people saying what you’ve claimed, and I very clearly explained why there is so much disinformation about the DPRK 2 comments above. I also explained how this disinformation works. Despite all of this, you’re still repeating the method of “it’s clearly xyz?” How unseriously do you take investigation into topics like this, do you even care at all? Or is this just an outlet for you? If you claim to be on the side of the people, then you owe it to yourself to take investigation and study seriously, rather than passively repeat disinformation even when shown hard evidence to the contrary.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Yes I do, and I do, but I also like minimizing the bias of sources. Of course you would hold good relationships with people who support you specifically becuase they want to throw a wrench in other countries, re the black panthers. If I hated the us, and i was a country I would absolutely fund and support organizations that were a thorn in the side of the country I hate, it is logical. The “evidence” you’re providing is literally just bias in favour of. There is no critique from you regarding the ruling class, incessant defense of oppressors, just with a different flavour is still defending oppressors
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
This is, again, nonsense. Do better.
The Black Panther Party was not the only group to maintain ties with the DPRK. Cuba was already allied with the DPRK and has remained extremely close, and the DPRK aided numerous African liberation movements Castro had this to say of Kim Ill-Sung:
You keep framing this as purely being self-interest, with no actual care for the people. To that I ask, why is it that these movements all happened to be on the side of justice? Why is it that the DPRK continued to retain ties with some of the most socially progressive countries on the planet, and enmeshed itself with liberation movements globally, if it was only concerned with “Realpolitik?” Even if we all call it self-interest, it doesn’t change the fact that this self-interest was in aiding liberation!
Regarding my sources being “bias,” again, this is nonsense. I am giving you hard evidence explaining exactly how the DPRK works, why it is so propagandized against, and how this propaganda works. I am always opposed to the bourgeoisie, I clearly critique capitalism and support socialism. Simply stating that socialist states are “oppressors, just with a different flavour” is the peak of ignorance when it comes to the massive gains made by the working classes once they take control of the state and can run society in their own interests.
Do better.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 day ago
After you