Comment on .ml has got to be the only place on earth where I'd get downvoted for a comment like this

• T00l_shed@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  No that’s not true

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  • RiverRock@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It fully is

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It’s 100% true.

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    • T00l_shed@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      No, it’s 100% not

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Yes, it’s 100% true.

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• hitwright@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Tankie is a term for anti US campist, that chooses to ignore crimes againt humanity by other Imperialistic nations. (China, Russia)

  Historically used against socialists, but the term gained another meaning

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Neither China nor Russia are imperialist, though. “Tankie” is used against those supportive of socialist states, which also overwhelmingly includes people that don’t believe Russia or China are imperialist.

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    • j_overgrens@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      HAAHAHAHAHAHA, imagine calling Russia non-imperialist. Even the fucking Russian church calls it a holy mission of Russia to spread the Russian realm.

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Imperialism is a stage of monopoly capitalism where domestic markets are saturated, and thus you must go outward. In this process, bank capital merges with industrial capital to form finance capital, and this dominates the economy, forcing export of capital rather than commodity. The world itself has already been entirely split up amongst the imperialist powers by World War I, as this was the primary cause behind it.

        The Soviet Union was anti-imperialist and anti-colonial, and the dissolution of socialism in the USSR was devastating for all countries involved. As such, even if we were to assume Russia would be imperialist if it could, it inherited no colonies, only a broken economy, and the west had already split the world amongst themselves.

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    • hitwright@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Mostly I saw it used against campist (US vs Them) people here. Much less often against idealistic socialists or communists.

      This might better explain: m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbkkh6GWn5Y

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        As a “tankie,” I disagree. Those who use the term certainly believe it to be along the lines you describe, I won’t contest that, but in actual use it’s a naked pejorative for all supporters of existing socialism. That support for existing socialism is the key part, not whether or not someone thinks the ideas sound cool, but instead what historical and contemporary movements we support. It isn’t even that those claiming to be socialists but oppose it in practice are more “idealistic,” the key question is on whether or not they support existing socialism.

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