You mean the nukes that we aren’t allowed to fire without US approval? That we have to send something like a billion per year to the US to get serviced and as a result aren’t even available to fire sometimes? Sorry but it seems very unlikely that trident is offering any kind of protection for us.
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moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 5 days ago
I think I prefer the Lib Dems and Labour (when they can get their act together) to the Greens. One thing I dislike about the Greens is this policy:
I think the UK should keep its nukes for now, given that we are threatened by Russia. In the future we could be threatened by China and even the US.
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ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 days ago
None of that is accurate. Britain retains unilateral ability to launch. The only items sent to the US are the unarmed missiles.
tenebrisnox@feddit.uk 4 days ago
Each missile costs up to £5 million to maintain per year. Think of all those arm manufacturers bonuses at risk if everyone had your attitude.
moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 3 days ago
I think we can fire them without US approval. Sure it’s a problem that the UK is reliant on US missiles to deliver British nukes. France is in a better situation because they have French missiles for their nukes - they’re not dependent on foreign missiles.
Maybe the solution then is to develop British or European missiles and bombs for British nukes, rather than scrap Britain’s nukes altogether.
tenebrisnox@feddit.uk 4 days ago
I wonder how all the other countries without nuclear weapons of mass destruction cope? Glad to live in the UK where we can kill millions at the push of a button.
moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 3 days ago
I think the sad reality is that countries without nuclear weapons are at the mercy of nations with nuclear weapons. What would be gained if the UK and France, for example, were to get rid of their nukes? There’s absolutely no chance that the US/Russia/China will get rid of theirs. So then those countries would have a massive amount of leverage over Europe.
kill millions at the push of a button
I definitely hope nukes are not used. But the threat of vast destruction might be the only threat that the world’s authoritarian leaders are afraid of. If those leaders are afraid of nothing then they could launch their own terrible weapons at civilians across the world.
tenebrisnox@feddit.uk 2 days ago
And you think these countries (China - which hasn’t been involved in military conflict for over 50 years - and Russia and ??) are secretly planning what? Invasion? Steal our women? Drive tanks through our front gardens? Eat our cats and dogs? Both those countries already own a great deal of property and investments here in the UK. People of China and Russia are like most of us: want peace. We’re governed by madmen and arms dealers who want to make us feel frightened and insecure all the time.
moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 2 days ago
You think Russia wants peace? Russia has been invading Ukraine since 2014. They launched a war against their neighbour so they could grab its land and subjugate its people. It’s imperialism, and who knows when Russia will decide to stop.
Actually yes there are some people in Russia who want peace, and who protested against Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Such protests in Russia get you arrested though.
FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 4 days ago
Im certainly happier voting for them in local council elections
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Giving up nukes sounds bad but is that single policy why you would rather vote for all other Labour policies?
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 days ago
Its an existential issue however.