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Arigion@feddit.org 4 days ago
The thing is it is highly doubtful that Pavlov ever used a bell. Also the experiments were no fun for the dogs.
He redirected the animals’ digestive fluids outside the body, where they could be measured.
captcha@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 4 days ago
I would really expect most experiments to be no fun for animals that are experimented on
Arigion@feddit.org 4 days ago
Since Pavlow is so famous you see often the dogs depicted as cute and someone ringing a bell. Not as fixated pepsin machines. At least in the past that was my mental image. Might be a me problem.
captcha@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 3 days ago
No, you’re right about the images, it’s marketing as usual, but I never thought about this
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 3 days ago
FWIW I used to hang out with behavioral psychology grad students, who were in the Skinnerian tradition of operant conditioning research. They mostly worked with pigeons and to transport the birds they used juice pitchers with a few air holes cut into the bottom. I asked them once how they got the birds into the pitchers and they laughed and showed me: they would just open the bird’s cage and hold the pitcher up and the birds would dive head-first into the pitcher, sometimes knocking themselves out in the process.
As part of the research protocol, the birds were kept on a diet that included about 80% of their normal caloric intake; the rest of their food was provided by the reinforcements of the experiments themselves (this was done to maximize the reinforcement effect of the rewards). So those birds were way the fuck into those experiments.
BTW a lot of people confuse the operant conditioning research with the people who put animals into cages and shock them. This is definitely not what BF Skinner was all about. In fact he wrote books on the subject of how punishment is a bad thing for all animals (including humans and pigeons).
captcha@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 3 days ago
Yeah, I though about pigeons and Skinner when writing that, but did not have much info about how it goes really. Thanks for sharing, that’s an interesting read, and nice to know they are treated well