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• Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Bruh

  1. Renawbles are capable of generating a ton of energy manageable distances from where they are used in most cases, even for the cases which they are not it is orders of magnitudes cheaper and better for environment if you make green hydrogen, ship it to where its needed and convert it back into current where you need it considered the absurd amounts of time and cost it takes to manage nuclear waste. Not even considering the cost to mine and ship nuclear fuel, build the reactor and safely dispose of it at the end of its lifespan as its miniscule compared to maintain any sort of storage building for a time longer than the time between humanitys first building and now.

  Mining is mostly done by people living under slave like conditions in poor countries. Even thinking having a energy source which needs to CONTINUOUSLY BURN MINED RECOURCES to keep outputting any energy at all compared is superior to a energy source which NEEDS MINED RESOURCES ONCE TO CONTINUOUSLY output energy until broken by external forces in terms of mining needed shows the absurdity of your argument

  Solar panels need silicium (literally sand) and bor, apart from some plastics and structural metal and glass. Those are way easier and cleaner to mine then radioactive materials, and bor is needed in really small amounts, AND IT DOESNT GET BURNED, YOU CAN REUSE IT.

  Thinking that smashing a train against something tells you anything about the properties of a material when exposed to time spans of degradation many orders of magnitude bigger than the time humans even started researching material properties…I dont even know where to start with this “argument” its bs on so many levels

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  • A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    About the point 2.

    I live in a thinrd world country, and it angers me to no end when they try to take this moral stand when a lot of times they’re the ones who didn’t let us all develop in the first place lol.

    My country depends on it’s mining industry, the biggest copper mining country in the world and i think the 2nd on lithium, they say it’s the wage of chile, most of the copper is extracted by the State owned CODELCO, wich money goes to schools and hospitals, and even the one who is mined privately is taxed and has to pay royalties that go to help the people.

    Miners aren’t even poorly paid for Chilean standards, and they have benefits, they’re strongly unionized lol, and mines here have an extremely high tech level, making people don’t have to go to risky places, a lot of mines are totally automated, where robots extract the material and take it out, while their operators sit comfortably in a control room in the city.

    So don’t come to lecture me on these “poor people in third world countries” because you know nothing, you are a firstworlder who had benefited from colonization and political meddling in our affairs, now that we’re finally advancing, and making a better country for ourselves, you come to say this thing? Bruh.

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    • Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I fully agree with you that my ancestors have chosen the path of violence and colonization, which I absolutely condemn and try to make up for in my every day live.

      And you are right, I dont know about uranian mines in Chile, nice that its state owned and actually beneficial for the area.

      I understand if you argue for nuclear if the mines have developed your region and is actually beneficial to the people from an emotional point of view.

      You hit me with an argumentum ad hominem, which is kind of deserved by what the society I live in did to a lot of the world (even if I myself try to fight that, lots of the privileges I have stem from exactly those past oppressions, can’t change that) but its still an argumentum ad hominem, and therefore not really contributing to the matter at hand

      Nuclear is bad for humanity, even if I live in Europe.

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      • A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        my country extracts copper nor uranium, I just used it as an example.

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  • Mavvik@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Im not a nuclear bro, but a vast majority of the planet’s Uranium is mined in Australia and Canada and both countries have pretty massive reserves. They have strict regulations and safety surrounding uranium operations. Naturally occurring uranium doesnt even pose much safety risk on its own, its the Radon that is generated by decay that causes problems for humans. Im not too familiar with how uranium mining is done but I imagine Radon risks can be mitigated pretty effectively with ventilation.

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• Therms45@europe.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  That’s beside the point. Nuclear isn’t sustainable on the long run, period.

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  • A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    it isn’t, transmission is a complex thing to do lol, my country had a full blackout last year because a cascading failure caused by a transmission line.

    Nuclear fuel will last long enough for us to both have nuclear fission and the capacity to space mine materials.

    solar doesn’t work in places that don’t have land available to be turned into solar farms, here in chile they do a lot of solar, and cool melted salt solar too, but is far north in the Atacama and they have to bring it in, wich is a huge bottle neck, A nuclear power plant in Santiago would relieve a lot the strain in the grid.

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    • Therms45@europe.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Yes, transmission is a complex thing to do, and that’s why more funds should used to improve research in that direction, rather than wasting hundreds of billions on ticking time bombs, so that mining company owners can get richer while making us sicker.

      1 hour of sunlight that hits the sunlit hemisphere, contains enough energy to satisfy the needs of the whole planet for 1 year. That’s how much solar is better than nuclear.

      I really can’t believe that in 2026, the idea of generating energy by boiling water, is still considered “advanced tech” just because they wanna use a different fuel. Lol

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      • A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Solar still uses boiling water, thermosolar at least, that has a lot of benefits over the photovoltaic cell, as it can generate energy steadily and even trough the night, here in chile they built cerro dominador, quite impressive thing.

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• chgxvjh@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  It’s a ploy to keep power in the hands of corporations and the bourgeois state. And in some cases the vision is to give the ultra rich nuclear (weapons) capabilities.

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• Therms45@europe.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  So are you saying energy from solar panels cannot be used right from the roof of the house where it’s being generatesd? Do you even listen to yourself lol

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