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• Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Your source “debunking” the Grayzone is RationalWiki, which is a right-wing misinformation justification wiki. Note how none of the arguments presented by the Grayzone against Zenz are tackled, just how the Grayzone reports.

  Further, again, Zenz is misrepresenting the data. The only source on him not misrepresenting the data is himself. You further don’t actually tackle how he is misrepresenting the data, you’re just misrepresenting how Xinjiang now has higher access to birth control as “forced sterilization,” a claim that has no backing beyond Zenz’ own words.

  Yes, Zenz isn’t the only one researching this! People like the Arab League went to Xinjiang and found no evidence of genocide. Instead, the groups that push the genocide narrative all circle back to Zenz, then reference each other. In this way, the narrative of genocide appears to have more legitimacy, despite all linking back to shoddy claims by an admitted professional propagandist.

  I find it telling that you’ll only listen to a christofascist, not the UN, and not the PRC’s official response and evidence. It’s the christofascists that deflect from Palestinian genocide that you trust completely, not hard evidence nor even the most official allegations by the UN. Truth doesn’t seem to matter to you, what matters is that christofascist propagandists are trusted.

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  • dreamy@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The reality reversal is fucking crazy. RationalWiki is the right-wing misinformation wiki now?
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    Note how none of the arguments presented by the Grayzone against Zenz are tackled, just how the Grayzone reports.

    A lot of their arguments are debunked here instead.

    Yes, Zenz isn’t the only one researching this! People like the Arab League went to Xinjiang and found no evidence of genocide. Instead, the groups that push the genocide narrative all circle back to Zenz, then reference each other. In this way, the narrative of genocide appears to have more legitimacy, despite all linking back to shoddy claims by an admitted professional propagandist.

    Have any sources for that?

    I find it telling that you’ll only listen to a christofascist, not the UN, and not the PRC’s official response and evidence. It’s the christofascists that deflect from Palestinian genocide that you trust completely, not hard evidence nor even the most official allegations by the UN. Truth doesn’t seem to matter to you, what matters is that christofascist propagandists are trusted. This is Iraq’s supposed WMD and South Africa’s supposed “White Genocide” all over again.

    I literally said, if you want to argue with the information that is present in those in total 180 page documents feel free to do so. But I find it telling that you’ll ignore the stuff I say in order to defend daddy Xi at all costs instead. You’re actually a fucking joke.

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Correct, RationalWiki is run by right-wing liberals. Read the article linked, the sources are cited on the article and you can check them yourself. For example, Zenz claimed to have interviewed 8 Uyghur people and deduced that millions must be incarcerated:

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      The source for this is just reading what Zenz and co posted themselves. The Grayzone is just highlighting clear problems with how Zenz gathers data.

      As for sources on the Arab League visiting Xinjiang and finding no evidence of genocide, here’s Middle East Monitor reporting on it. I already linked this to you before, but this is an additional source just for fun. It’s really easy to find this online. As for pretty much all major allegations of genocide leading back to Zenz, here’s an example from BBC, which merely reports what Zenz says with little commentary.

      Wierd bit of homophobia on your part at the end, but I can’t say I’m surprised by that behavior from you. You haven’t even looked at the reports, so there’s nothing here to argue yet, all we have found is that you believe far-right christofascist propagandist Adrian Zenz is infallible, and right-liberal RationalWiki is a reliable way to avoid engaging with a group that simply highlights Zenz’ background, methodology, and mistakes.

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      • dreamy@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        And how did they deduce that? Maybe with the additional help of official Chinese government documents?:
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        The source for this is just reading what Zenz and co posted themselves. The Grayzone is just highlighting clear problems with how Zenz gathers data.

        And I’m highlighting how they’re wrong.

        As for sources on the Arab League visiting Xinjiang and finding no evidence of genocide, here’s Middle East Monitor reporting on it. I already linked this to you before, but this is an additional source just for fun. It’s really easy to find this online.

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        As for pretty much all major allegations of genocide leading back to Zenz, here’s an example from BBC, which merely reports what Zenz says with little commentary.

        “This one article about Uighurs links back to Zenz so all articles link back to Zenz” do you even hear yourself?

        Wierd bit of homophobia on your part at the end, but I can’t say I’m surprised by that behavior from you…

        Sorry, where was I homophobic?

        …but I can’t say I’m surprised by that behavior from you, given your defense of the far-right.

        Where did I defend the far-right you fucking moron? Are you fantasizing arguing with an alter ego of mine?

        You haven’t even looked at the reports, so there’s nothing here to argue yet…

        This is the third time I’m saying this. You’ve not made a single point about anything in the reports YOU shared. What the fuck would me reading them change. Make an argument, cite it, then I’ll check. I’m not going to read 180 pages to debunk literally no argument.

        …all we have found is that you believe far-right christofascist propagandist Adrian Zenz is infallible…

        Where did I say that dipshit? Show me, where did I say that?

        …and right-liberal RationalWiki…

        Lmao. Lol even. “Everything I don’t like is liberal” to the nth degree. Well, they’re not though:
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        …is a reliable way to avoid engaging with a group that simply highlights Zenz’ background, methodology, and mistakes.

        I’m directly engaging with the shit you keep spewing. I don’t want to type out paragraphs against worn-out arguments myself, that’s why I just send already existing rebuttals. You don’t want to engage with the rebuttals I send though, so you just keep moving the goalposts. Great job!

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