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• gmtom@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  support systems that have brought about immense increases in life expectancy, worker’s rights, women’s rights, free healthcare, free education, and literally defeated fascism

  Cool, you can make literally that exact same argument about capitalist neo libs.

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  • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You actually can’t make the argument that neoliberal capitalism has defeated fascism at all, you’d have to be completely historically & politically illiterate to even consider it. Life expectancy increase came as a result of medical research conducted around the world, all others were conceded by capitalist governments begrudgingly and only after years of hard work by organizations that were overwhelmingly made up of anti-capitalists, and every single one is currently being rolled back in every capitalist nation on earth.

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    • gmtom@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      and every single one is currently being rolled back in every capitalist nation on earth.

      Just completely factually incorrect.

      You actually can’t make the argument that neoliberal capitalism has defeated fascism at a

      Sure you can, I wouldn’t agree with it, just like I wouldn’t agree that socialism did, but you can make that argument

      Life expectancy increase came as a result of medical research conducted around the world

      Yeah that’s kind of my point. The things you mention as successes of “”“socialist”“” countries is just scientific advancement and industrialisation.

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      • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Factually entirely correct lol, sorry if reality is inconvenient for your bullshit

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• Tja@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Replaced Nazism in Europe*

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  • Riverside@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Yes, as I said, replacing it by a system with full free healthcare, worker’s rights, respect of minorities and their languages and cultures, free education to the highest level, anti-imperialism and self-reliance. The dismantling of the Eastern Block is the biggest demographic catastrophe in Europe since WW2.

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    • j_overgrens@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Worthwile to note that the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were longstanding allies before Operation Barbarossa and a critical amount of steel and oil that supplied the Nazi war machine after the allied embargo was supplied by the Soviet union.

      Which says nothing of the monumental sacrifice given by Soviet civilians, but let’s separate that from Stalin’s policy, perhaps?

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      • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Anything’s possible when you make shit up

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      • Riverside@reddthat.com ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’ve replied to the whole “Nazis and Soviets were allies” in another comment in this post, I encourage you to read it and reply. Thank you!

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    • Tja@programming.dev ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Anti imperialism? How did they become the largest country on earth?

      Respect of minorities? Tell that to the tens of thousands of people executed in forests. Or starved to death. Because of their identity.

      Industrial development? Yes, current Russia having an economy the size of Italy is a testament to that.

      Plenty of countries have free education and Healthcare.

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      • Riverside@reddthat.com ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Anti imperialism? How did they become the largest country on earth?

        Imperialism is not when big country, believe it or not. Imperialism is about having peripheral colonies from which you extract raw materials and where the citizens have fewer rights, and a core which benefits from the labor of the rest of the periphery. The USSR engaged in the opposite by providing raw materials and energy inputs to the Eastern-Block countries at subsidized prices precisely with the intention of helping them industrialize and develop.

        Respect of minorities?

        Yes. Ukraine got its borders and political representation for the first time in history during Soviet rule. You may be surprised to find that Rosa Luxembourg argued against this, there are some fun letters between her and Lenin where the latter argued in favour of supporting the national identity of Ukrainians. This was carried out as soon as the revolution took place, in the Korenizatsiya policy of boosting ethnic minorities once oppressed by the Russian empire. You may be surprised to learn that Stalin was the commissar for nationalities when the Russian Revolution happened. The communists elected a Georgian leader in 1925, unthinkable just 10 years prior.

        All republics in the USSR had the right to determine their own languages, and people had a right to an education in these languages up to university level (not always included). The majority of books and newspapers printed in areas with national languages different to Russian were in said languages (Ukrainian, Kazakh, Armenian, Georgian, Estonian…). You can get informed about this in Albert Szymanski’s “human rights in the Soviet Union”. There were big mistakes during a few years due to hysteria against Nazism and Japanese invasion (see deportations of Crimean Tatars and Koreans), but other than that the USSR has a mostly impeccable record in this regard. Compare that to France murdering 1 million Algerians in the 1960s in the Algerian war of independence, or with Occitan language becoming almost extint in the 20th century.

        Industrial development? Yes, current Russia

        The USSR was at the time the second largest economy in the world, idk why you compare it with modern capitalist Russia, of course capitalism destroyed the progress achieved by socialists.

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