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i don’t know but i can sure as hell deal without the constant bitching and moaning that the conscientious objectors and the non voting left costing the democrats the election. if you don’t feel that the progressives have the numbers, you will have to take that up with the democratic party messaging, and the result of the leaked internal investigation into the loss of the presidential election and the loss of the mayor election to Zohran Mamdani.

but you can’t argue that the democrats lost on their ground.

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null@piefed.nullspace.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Man, you’re really all over the place.

So you think Dems need to court MLs to win elections, but you can’t actually back that up with anything. But that if they don’t, they are wasting effort and not doing their job.

What a mess of an opinion.

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- WraithGear@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  it’s pretty straight forward
  
  first, not ml’s, progressives.
  
  second, they need the more votes, and courting the right is insufficient. that’s backed by their internal report, and their losses with their preferred candidates.
  
  third, they are not doing their job because they do not counter the republican party. they waste their time instead maintaining power of corporate democrats
  
  these are all consistent
  
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  - null@piefed.nullspace.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    
    first, not ml’s, progressives.
    
    Hasan is an open ML, and you’re saying the Dems need people sharing his views to get votes.
    
    second, they need the more votes, and courting the right is insufficient. that’s backed by their internal report, and their losses with their preferred candidates.
    
    Source?
    
    third, they are not doing their job because they do not counter the republican party. they waste their time instead maintaining power of corporate democrats
    
    Do not counter the Republican party how? They don’t have the seats…
    
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    WraithGear@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    lemmy.world/post/45610837
    
    no he isn’t, he is a self proclaimed democratic socialist.
    
    democraticautopsy.org/…/Autopsy-2024-How-Democrat…
    
    based on institutional self suppression, alignment to their corporate doaners, the abandonment of leverage such as the shut down, refusal to leverage the rejection of the genocide in gaza, this with the report show an unwillingness to do anything, not an incapability.
    
    the government shut down was gaining political traction and leverage with the progressive vote for progressive candidates. they _immediately _ abandoned all leverage once this was clear, and gave in to all republican demands signaling that progressive control was more dangerous to party control.
    
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