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bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 days agoBoth US mainstream parties were neoliberal, so… yeah? I’m not sure if you were being sarcastic or not. They enabled eachother. While the Republicans are much worse, the Democrats didn’t prevent the rise of fascism, because doing so would have required moving towards the left, which would have impacted the class interests of wealthy donors. If the Democratic party hadn’t gone around parading with Liz Cheney and denying the genocide, they’d have won, they literally grasped defeat from the jaws of victory with Harris/Biden.
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But in reality, the real reason why democrats lost is because the party and majority who support it are quite lazy people. In all stats/online pollings the democrats should have won, but they didn’t because only minority actually went to vote.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 1 day ago
The Democrats didn’t have a candidate which inspired people to get out and vote. They just keep trying to appeal to some moderate centrist vote which doesn’t actually ever materialize.
If Harris didn’t peddle the exact same anti-immigrant, pro-israel, genocide denying shit and instead advocated for medicare for all, wealth tax, opposition to war, and bringing Israel to heel, she would have absolutely swept the election.
You can’t blame voters for not being engaged and getting out to vote when the very best they can hope for is the not-quite-as-bad-as-Trump candidate. That shit does not work. They need to actually give their voters things they want, not just be the lesser evil.
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You cannot imagine how little people cared about the things you care about in US (Ie. Israel/Gaza). It was mostly social media being loud about it, but it didn’t affect the results. If you genuinely thought Harris would support Israel more than Trump, I have few bridges to sell you.
Stop being so out of touch with everything.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 1 day ago
Well, to begin with, Israel’s genocide against the Palestinian people was just one issue I mentioned among half a dozen, but I think you’d actually be surprised:
If you’re making the point that Israel’s genocide wasn’t the biggest contributor to Kamala’s loss, I would probably agree. Polling has shown that voters care about medicare for all and the cost of living crisis far more, but the DNC completely refuse to address those issues in any meaningful way either. The fact is, they put the interests of the wealthy before the interests of the working class, because of wealthy and corporate donors, and PACs. With that said, Israel’s genocide absolutely was quite a significant issue, and acting like it wasn’t just because you feel like it wasn’t, is ignorant denialism.
Do you recognize that I am trying to present a nuanced position, here? I’m not saying that Harris was worse than Trump, I’m saying that she did not significantly differentiate herself from Trump because she held positions that were close to the Republican party and because she refused to yield to the left flank of the Democratic party, and that is why the Democratic party lost.
You really should come to terms with the fact that the Trump presidency is now in power because the DNC refused to give working class voters what they want, because the DNC is more responsive to their wealthy donors than they are to the needs of the working class. Both mainstream parties are completely beholden to the interests of the ruling class.