Comment on How would an anarchist society work?
kossa@feddit.org 11 hours agoHow come that just never happens, lol?
People generally have a harder time to be assholes to people they know. That’s where this “I want to deport every brown person, except that one person I know, he’s fine” mentality comes from.
What would you do if a flatmate starts pissing on the couch? Basically at one point you would decide to kick him out of your “flat society”, yes. And if my flat mates all decide it is better to piss onto the couch I can decide to leave my “flat society” as well, yes.
thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
So yes. You and your flat mates have now formed a hierarchy lol you and your flat mates on the top. Couch pisser on the bottom. It’s an obtuse example but I think it reflects reality.
Your example of “I want to deport every brown person” is an perfect example of a real life couch pisser lol.
People will decide to enact their will onto others based on their personal morals. If enough people come together with the same morals they will as a group decide to form a hierarchy.
It’s like if you dispersed a bunch of dust into space evenly. It’ll start to clump eventually.
Any system that effectively minimize the ability for one will to destabilize the group as a whole is probably best.
Anarchism just isn’t that. Its like the libertarian version of leftist policy.
Structure must exist because not everyone’s wants to play fairly and not everyone needs to be worrying about that.
kossa@feddit.org 2 hours ago
A group deciding that one member is not welcome anymore is no hierarchy. It doesn’t structurally exploit the person “on the bottom”.
It only becomes a problem where the “anarchist” shared flat meets our current society. Exiling him might not be as easy, because of outside forces (true hierarchy). He has a contract and can enforce it with outside help. Maybe he ends up homeless because he cannot afford rent, or nobody gives him another flat.
In “perfect anarchist utopia” he would go into the “couch pisser flat” and be welcomed with open arms. And why wouldn’t he do it willingly? He is bound to be way happier with other couch pissers than being miserable with us, who don’t want to piss onto couches.
But the example is oc mood, because once again: did that ever happen to you? As I said, people tend to follow the rules of their group. I did never encounter a couch pisser or someone like it in shared flats or other groups organized without hierarchies. And usually, once again, if I heard of those stories, it was because of outside forces. People disagreeing about means of power like money.
The concept of intrinsic shame carries far in circles, where people know each other. I mean, read up on current anthropologic research about hunter-gatherer societies. For all we know “anarchy” is the default organizational form for small groups of humans.