Comment on How would an anarchist society work?
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours agoI’m not misrepresenting anything. You declare that by the fact that we have a red A next to our name, it gives us some massive boost in pushing our ideas through, even through democratic decision making, which if you knew anything about real-life anarchists, and particularly the neurodivergent sort we go to great lengths to attract, you’d know that people in position of undesired authority (even thouse imposed by the software) are given even more scrutiny than most. The fact that our instance community went with the vote (which as others mentioned, was raised by a member of the instance, not the admin team) goes to show how overwhelmingly desired the defederation was. Despite all your “But you lead these sheeple by the nose” degrading of the intellect of our members.
You “pulled out some choice morsels” from modlogs to illustrate your point
Which goes to show that you’re merely upset the vote didn’t go the way you wanted. If this was merely “some choice morsels” I guarantee our comm would have unearthed the rest and rubbed them in our faces.
But anarchism is not a set of rules to be obeyed; it is a method of self-organization. You cannot have “self-organization” if the “self” does not have the tools (education/critical thinking) to organize. By claiming education isn’t necessary, the you’re essentially saying: “You don’t need to understand the system, you just need to do what “WE” (“the authority that’s totes not an authority”) call “mutual aid” and vote the way we set up the ballot.” This is Vanguardism, not Anarchism.
Not what I’m saying at all. When I say we need no education, I mean one does not need to read infinite amount of theory before engaging in anarchism, like Marxist-Leninist vanguardists claim for their own movement. People can just do anarchism, and its praxis radicalizes them and invites more education. You should try to be more charitable instead of superficially trying to gotcha people. In our case, indeed we self-organize around anarchist principles, and one of those principles is the right of association (where people choose to associate with other members of our instance and not to associate with zionists), and the right of consensus making through democratic means.
Also, in the spirit of mutual aid, would it not be in your best interest to try your best to educate the people in your community and empower them to think for themselves?
We already do that. But we’re not going to avoid all democratic decision making until everyone is “enlightened” or some whatever shite you’re positing.
You can jump up and down all you want about how we “abandoned the ideals of anarchism”, but the mere dint of the matter that actual anarchists choose to voluntarily continue associating with us (and not raise a shitstorm), rather than the armchair theorist with the most superficial understanding of the theory (like you), is all the proof we need we’re going in the right direction.
Anarchism needs people to cooperate, yet lacks functional power to make cooperation to happen and so, people such as yourself will use some type of coercion (authority) to force cooperation the way they (the authority) wants.
You’ve yet to point out any form of coercion except your pet definition of “Well, you’re so much more charismatic by being an admin, you led everyone by the nose” which flies in the face of reality.
Asofon@discuss.online 4 hours ago
Except that people have already chosen to get into your system. If they didn’t desire your system, they wouldn’t be in it. They have already chosen for you to have some authority.
Who are you to tell me what to do?
You didn’t tho. Despite who organized the vote etc. the post stands posted by an Admin, and the post is in clear violation of your own stated Code of Conduct.
The “shite” was following prominent Anarchist thinkers (Bakunin, Chomsky) in making the point. I never argued for infinite theoretical education, I argued that critical thinking and awareness of power dynamics are necessary to prevent informal elites. Without tools to recognize bias, framing, and authority signals, “self-organization” becomes a tool for the charismatic or well-connected to dominate.
Unsurprisingly, the people who choose to associate with you agree with you. Have you considered that perhaps anarchists who don’t agree with you simply don’t feel that it’s worth the effort to try to challenge your power structures? Judging by the way you respond to me, it would be futile as anyone who disagrees with you isn’t a true anarchist.
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
oooor, they know that they can demand my (and every other admin’s) recall, and the fact that they haven’t proves they just trust us.
bed-time is authoritarian, amirite?
Nu-uh. Lol. Ok you’re stuck in a loop, buddy. You’re gonna have to try harder than that.
Mate, it’s an niche online forum run by neurodivergents. Charismatic and well-connected we ain’t.
Of all the political people, you think it’s anarchists that would be loathe to call out bad power structures? Are you sure this is the argument you want to run with?
Asofon@discuss.online 4 hours ago
Again, effort. Why bother with yet another power tripping admin when they can just hop on to another instance (or ideally, save their energy to actually do something meaningful in real life). It’s just a niche online forum run by neurodivergents.
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
True. It just so happens that all the other anarchist instances also happen to like us. Funny how that works, huh?