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CHEFKOCH@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

• HMH@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  Please note that there is nothing inherently wrong with conspiracy theories. I think it should be obvious that there have been tons of big conspiracies throughout history. Uncovering current ones is probably in the interest of most people and should not be frowned upon.

  What you consider conspiracy people are probably only those with baseless claims or just plain wrong arguments and I agree with @nutomic@lemmy.ml here: As long as the discussions are civil and presented facts not obviously wrong, I do not see a problem.

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  • CHEFKOCH@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    Conspiracy

    As long as the discussions are civil and presented facts not obviously wrong, I do not see a problem.

    This contradicts itself, if something is a fact then it is not a conspiracy theory.

    I highly disagree here, I see a lot of problems spreading shit like 5G causes Covid and such discussions, they confuse others, they have no value at all and they are beyond anything.

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    • HMH@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      This contradicts itself, if something is a fact then it is not a conspiracy theory.

      This is no contradiction. The thing is often not all facts are available and there is a lot of room for interpretation. For example, looking back at history: The tobacco industry claims nicotine is not addictive. Facts: At the time not entirely clear to the public. Should you be allowed to discuss about the tobacco industry conspiring: Yes, absolutely.

      But it seems the meaning for conspiracy theory has shifted to theories only crackpots come up with and stuff that generally is not true. The original meaning of the two words taken separately still makes a lot of sense to me. Also how would you call a theory about a conspiracy that is actually likely to be true?

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      • CHEFKOCH@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        • If facts or scientific research is not available then it is simply a normal discussion, rumour or suggestion. This is still a difference and not per-se a conspiracy.
        • Facts and conspiracy theory have nothing to with each one another, you can also spread conspiracy theories with, so-called facts that might be contradicted or debunked later based on new research evidence or on misinformation. Combining everything usually goes hand in hand, someone thinks he knows xyz and then start to spread moral panic.
        • You mix conspiracy people, as generalization term with people who deliberately spread misinformation.

        Now drop the topic, this thread here is not about conspiracy people and I am not here to explain you what it is, check Wikipedia.

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