Comment on It's sad that people completely misunderstand what Star Trek is about.

• chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Don’t spend 5 episodes uses feminine pronouns for the character then have them “come out” as non-binary. Just establish their pronouns from the outset, and don’t make a big deal outside the show about how brave they are for having an NB Trek character.

  You don’t normalize something by pointing out that it’s strange.

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  • Kirk@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Got it, you’re saying you are happy to see the inclusion of a non-binary character, just upset that it wasn’t communicated a few episodes earlier?

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    • chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s that they are treating it as something weird. Uhura’s race and sex weren’t treated as weird because why would it be? There wasn’t anything especially special about Geordi being a blind helmsman when TNG premiered, because making accommodations wasn’t anything special - it was normal.

      What Discovery did was performative inclusivity, which is a more subtle form of bigotry. It’s pointing at someone and calling them weird and claiming moral superiority for tolerating their presence.

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      • Kirk@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Hm I don’t remember that. Can you point me to a line of dialogue or anything outside of that (again extremely brief) clip I posted to support your argument?

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    • jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Pretty much. And maybe in the off-screen bragging about it, at least say first main character or first crew member (someone argued about Dax, but I’d say that character was gendered, just fluid over the long term), not ‘first character ever’, since you had a number of instances, and pretty much dead-on a whole species dedicated to exploring gendered versus non-binary in TNG. That’s one habit of Discovery was leaving people wondering if they even watched the shows that preceeded them…

      There should have been no good reason for Adira to only tell Gray despite their clear desire to be recognized as non-binary.

      Or, alternatively, they could have established that 32nd century Earth cut off from the federation had backslid to MAGA-sensibilities to explain why far future human feels the need to tiptoe around their identity until they come to terms with the culture of the federation that might have been lost to Earth.

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      • Kirk@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’m discussing canon and “off-screen” is definitionally not canon. Canonically, it’s hard for me to see Adira’s gender as anything other than an extremely small side detail about the character as it’s only brought up that one single time in passing.

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