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Comment on Karim Diané on playing Star Trek’s first gay Klingon

bufalo1973@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

“A Russian in a USS ship? This cannot be”

“A bald captain? This cannot be”

“A woman captain? This cannot be”

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The same people that said Tilly didn’t belong in ST because weight are the same that say people in STA are too good looking. Chose one side, people. Either “no non perfect people” or “no beautiful people”, not both.

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grue@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Being overweight is in an entirely different category than the other attributes you mentioned because it’s a choice, and more importantly because physical fitness is directly relevant to a soldier or sailor’s ability to perform their duty. In fact, the show itself addresses this: there are scenes that show Tilly jogging around the ship so that she can get a “physical endurance commendation” and be more likely to get into the Command Training Program.

If she were a civilian character, sure: no judgement, no problem. But having an overweight military officer (especially if they hadn’t acknowledged and addressed it the way they did) would be problematic in a legitimate, non-judgemental, suspension-of-disbelief-defying way.

(That said, I don’t think Tilly was anywhere near big enough for fan complaints to actually be legitimate. I’m just saying that, in principle, that category of complaint could be legitimate for that type of character, in contrast to complaints about race/sex/hair that are never valid.)

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- bufalo1973@piefed.social ⁨37⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
  But you’ll agree that they can’t be mad at once for Tilli not being fit and for the students in Academy for being too fit.
  
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Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Wait, people think Tilly is fat??

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- JasSmith@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Mary Wiseman is fat. [1] [2] Not obese, but overweight. It’s okay to acknowledge reality and not make fun of her for it. I don’t see why we need to gaslight people about being overweight. We can all see she’s overweight. This is such a silly hill to die on.
  
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  - Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    
    We can all see she’s overweight
    
    I can’t. My perceptions have been altered by the high prevalence of obesity in our society. I now have higher standards. She looks a little thicker than most people, but not in a way I’d been conscious of before today.
    
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    JasSmith@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    It’s true that general obesity can make it hard to identify overweight people today. I’m lucky to live in Europe, and it’s not as bad here yet. Wiseman is somewhere around 35-40%, which is where the official diagnosis of “obesity” begins.
    
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