Comment on German man says american are savages

raef@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• vapeloki@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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  • raef@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Source: SpringerMedizin.de share.google/Y3pDiTAszdpbbClj8

    That’s just one of many such. It’s about 1.5 times the mortality rate

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    • vapeloki@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      There is just one small flaw: this study only had a look at people that made it alive to the hospital.

      Also, as the study said in noumorus places, whilefor Germany, full statistics where available, the USA data is more hit and miss, and therefore not as granular as German data.

      While it is true that Germany has one of the worst life expectancies in western Europe, this is attributed more to our style of live then our health care system.

      Ambulance waiting times cost lives.

      That is a proven fact.

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      • raef@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        The national target for ambulance response time in the US is 9 minutes. It’s up to 19 in Germany

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    • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I would take that with a grain of salt, since the study here says it only deals with death inside of the hospital (which is what is expected of a system encouraging the individual to flee the expensive place as soon as possible):

      Considering the markedly lower length of stay in U.S. hospitals, it seems likely that more deaths following AMI occur after hospital discharge in the U.S., compared to Germany. This assumption is supported by recent OECD publications, which also report U.S. 30-day AMI mortality based on linked data. This figure was at 9.3% in the year 2020, compared to 4.9% when based on unlinked data. For Germany, national 30-day AMI mortality figures based on linked data are not available to date. In other industrialized countries reporting both figures, the difference between mortality based on unlinked data and mortality based on linked data was not as pronounced as in the U.S.

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      • Tuuktuuk@nord.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Also, when a share of the people die on the way to the hospital, the least healthy ones get culled from the the statistics. Some of the people why die into ambulances in USA would die in the hospital in Germany.

        The multiplier of 1,5 can therefore also tell about a lot of people dying because of ambulances being stuck in traffic jams. Only the healthiest will make it to the hospital.

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      • raef@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        It’s hard to measure for those that don’t try , but have to assume death will be declared in hospital for those on their way there.

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