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CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

There are two primary points here:

Just the past couple of years there has been an assassination of a high-ranking officer in Iran, and iirc a bombing of their consulate in Beirut. None of these are related to the nuclear program, they weren’t even claimed to be related to the nuclear program. I also mentioned other countries: the whole “Iraq has WMD’s”-thing comes to mind.
Regardless of the above, both the US and Israel have signed the UN charter, explicitly stating that the will not attack other countries just to get their way. Doing that puts them on the same level as russia when it comes to respecting international law. Saying “you should have done as I said and you wouldn’t have gotten beat up” doesn’t justify beating someone up.

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couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
A1: if Iran is sending members of their military to oversee weapon shipments to groups that attack Israel, or to coördinate with groups that attack Israel, don’t you see that that’s a little bit different from “we’re just peacefully sitting at home and they attack us out of nowhere” ?

A2: if you’re going to conflate this with the attack on Iraq you’ll ha

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- CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  if you’re going to claim that “breaking the UN charter!” is your bottom line to determine what is right or wrong, I have a whole oil tanker load of shit of stuff that Iran has done to spew all over that, lol.
  
  Classic whataboutism.
  
  I never said Iran was some kind of angel regime. I never defended any of the illegal shit Iran has done.
  
  I stated, quite clearly, that the US and Isreal have started a war of aggression against Iran, in violation of the UN charter, and tried justifying it as being a “preemptive attack”. The primary point is: That’s a gross violation of international law, and should be condemned.
  
  The initial point I made was regarding the irony in that by attacking Iran “preemptively” at regular intervals, they end up proving to Iran that their sovereignty won’t be respected unless they have a strong deterrent (e.g. nukes).
  
  if you’re going to conflate this with the attack on Iraq you’ll have to elaborate a bit more
  
  Iraq, Venezuela, … the point (which stands) is that the US (and Israel) have shown time and again that they will blatantly violate international law and attack others in order to preserve their “national interests”. No one should be surprised when that results in countries like Iran trying to develop strong deterrents like nukes.
  
  Lets put it this way: When was the last time Iran launched a “preemptive” strike on Israel or the US?
  
  Finally, to be completely clear: I’m not condoning any violations of international law. I’m actually sticking to a principle here and saying that one country attacking or coercing another is wrong, no matter who does it. That means russia is the bad guy when they attack Ukraine, the US is the bad guy when they kidnap Maduro, Iran is the bad guy when they organise terror attacks in Israel, Israel is the bad guy when they bulldoze civilian apartments with tanks, etc. etc. etc.
  
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  - couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    Lets put it this way: When was the last time Iran launched a “preemptive” strike on Israel or the US?
    
    Well, for example: Hezbollah launched attacks on Israel on oct 8th 2023 right after Hamas did their infamous attack, as a show of support. Hezbollah is a proxy organisation for Iran getting their intel, training and weapons from them.
    
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