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wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 6 days agoThere’s a difference between supporting capitalism, and understanding that we currently live in a capitalistic world order and in order to make change we need to work within the systems and settle for incremental progress.
pucker4676@lemmy.ml 6 days ago
Democratic Socialism has no ethical end game. It’s a compromise with the ruling class remaining the ruling class. It’s a slightly lesser evil, but still evil. It’s just another liberal hangout.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 6 days ago
The end game is incremental progress by working within the systems that are in place to achieve gradual change.
It’s not about compromising with the ruling class. If any DemSoc is going about it that way, they’re doing it wrong.
Mamdani is doing great things for New York, none of which would be happening if because of some ideological purism he decided to stay home and be a keyboard warrior instead of getting into politics.
pucker4676@lemmy.ml 6 days ago
You’re quite rude. It would do liberals a lot of good to read some theory. They’d understand what the “tankies” are talking about rather than dismissing them as lunatics.
The best of the Democratic Socialist countries are still ran by child murdering shitbags. They’re probably gearing up to bomb schools alongside the US.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 6 days ago
What did I say that was rude?
Also, you’re assuming I’m a liberal and that I haven’t read leftist theory. I understand what tankies are talking about enough to engage with it critically, which is apparently more than they do.
Do you mean Social Democracy countries? Because Democratic Socialism is a political party or persuasion, not a political system in its own right. What country is exclusively Democratic Socialist?
There are countries that are Social Democracies, and most of them have some of the best human rights track records out of all modern nations.
But if you want to cherrypick the most egregious examples of western nations and lump every western nation in with them under some collective guilt, while ignoring the infractions, crimes, and atrocities of all the non-western and anti-western countries, then I suppose you could make the argument that Social Democracies are baby murderers. It wouldn’t be a very good argument, but that just describes the layers of distortion you would have to put it through to reach that conclusion.
But keep blaming the Nordic model for the crimes of the US, I’m sure that strategy will convince somebody, just not me.
Oh and by the way, do you want to mention the millions of deaths under Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot? Since apparently you’re juxtaposing “true” leftism against all the inferior or “untrue” leftisms as some sort of harbinger of moral superiority and respect for human lives?