Itâs not circular, because it needs to be done. If it isnât done we have massive problems. It doesnât depend on any other logic. Sure, the issue was crested, in part, by hunting also (a lot just because predators wonât live near population centers though), but the argument that it needs to be done isnât dependent on you agreeing with killing predators.
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Aarkon@discuss.tchncs.de â¨2⊠â¨days⊠agoJust because something happens on its own in nature doesnât mean itâs a good thing per se - for instance, I prefer the warmth of my heated house over the ânaturalâ cold temperatures of the winter months. Thatâs the famous âappeal to natureâ fallacy right there.
Also, like others already pointed out, hunting deer is only necessary because we eradicated most of their natural predators. Making the case for hunting today in order to fix a problem hunting created in the past feels oddly circular to me.
Cethin@lemmy.zip â¨2⊠â¨days⊠ago
hector@lemmy.today â¨1⊠â¨day⊠ago
A little off subject, but I want to start a movement to have farmers raise a few cows and pigs in the old method, letting them roam around and forage, not treating them horribly, and then selling the meat directly to consumers. Because if you bought an entire cowâs worth of cuts at a grocer, itâs an astronomical sum, even as the rancher is getting barely enough to get by from it, the agriconglomerates hold the gates and are squeezing everyone, and itâs forced these factory style farms to proliferate to stay in business, as the corporates wonât pay enough for the old style of farming to be worth it, but still charge more than enough so that old way would more than be worth it if we cut out the parasitical mega corporations.
Itâs kind of baked in though, usda inspections and the like on beef, itâs illegal to go outside of them really, barriers to entry that probably are ruinously expensive for someone doing a handful of cow shares, but affordable for a conglomerate doing a thousand head
But thereâs a way around it, doing cow share programs, selling directly to people but itâs grey area.
Anyway itâs a major harm reduction as far as Iâm concerned. People arenât going to stop buying meat. We can give farmers more money, save consumers money, and give the animals better lives, by cutting out these mega corporations from the deal, and in doing it with meat, itâs an in to do all sorts of vegetables and the like as well, we need community sponsored agriculture that is not more expensive than the grocers, and I think thatâs more possible now with rising grocery costs.
qaeta@lemmy.ca â¨2⊠â¨days⊠ago
I mean, kinda yes, kinda no. We generally werenât hunting predators primarily for meat, but for community safety. The meat was a byproduct of not wanting a bear or something to decide our children would make for a tasty snack.