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but people born in socialism want (balanced, not late stage) capitalism

False. A majority of people who lived in the Eastern Block (except for a few countries like Baltics or Poland) say that life was better during socialism, every poll that comes out confirms this. The people who are so afraid of socialism are the 90s kids who have been indoctrinated in the “horrors of gommunism” while completely ignoring the very real horrors of capitalism.

The house is given to you wherever the government wants you to work

Again lying. Work mobility was very much a thing in the Eastern Block except during exceptional times such as WW2. Housing in the USSR was actually primarily accessed through your work union, not through the government, so it was up to you where you wanted to work and therefore live. Nowadays people don’t have that luxury, and instead of living near our workplaces, we’re segregated by income. I literally cannot afford to live in my hometown where I grew up because it got gentrified, it is actually capitalism not letting people live where they desire. I’ve also lived in a smaller village, and many people are forced out of there by the economic situation of not being able to find any job because capitalism moves all jobs to the big city. Are you purposefully lying, or just misinformed?

Like China, Half of capitalistic EU, and North Korea?

So, like a socialist country, a bunch of countries imitating socialist urban design, and another socialist country? Nothing to do with political spectrum? If you think urban sprawl is not political, I suggest you research on why it was racism and segregation by skin colour that led to dystopian sprawl in American cities. Or is that not ideological to you?

Well, just because there is a one country that managed to screw it up, does not mean it cannot be part of capitalism. See: Rest of the world

What rest of the world? How’s the quality of universal healthcare and education in India, in Phillipines, in Morocco or in Ecuador? I’m a Spaniard, and I can guarantee you that, for the entirety of my adult life, the only policy I’ve seen towards healthcare and education is austerity and defunding through neoliberalism. This is the case in the entirety of Europe, and when some party comes with intentions of changing that, either it’s internally demolished (state apparatus fabrications of corruption and funding by Venezuela and Iran in the case of Podemos, Spain), not allowed into government by the establishment (LFI, France), or directly shutdown under theat of explusion of the Euro (Syriza, Greece). What a wonderful paradise of healthcare and education.

Depends on how you look at it. I’m sure there is zero unemployment rates in concentration camps too

I have no idea what you’re talking about. Again, most people who lived in the Eastern Block socialism say that life was better then. Why are you so hurt by people having a right to retirement pensions, worker rights, extremely high unionization rates, and guaranteed employment?

Turns on US news

What’s your point? That Stalin shouldn’t have stopped at Berlin? I wish for that alternate reality too, especially one without the USA existing.

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REDACTED@infosec.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

False. A majority of people who lived in the Eastern Block (except for a few countries like Baltics or Poland) say that life was better during socialism, every poll that comes out confirms this. The people who are so afraid of socialism are the 90s kids who have been indoctrinated in the “horrors of gommunism” while completely ignoring the very real horrors of capitalism.

Think about what you just said. “Back when we had more money, life was better than now when east is poor after wars and collapse”.

It’s funny that you excluded the countries that are not considered broken.

Work mobility was very much a thing in the Eastern Block except during exceptional times such as WW2. Housing in the USSR was actually primarily accessed through your work union, not through the government, so it was up to you where you wanted to work and therefore live

You could not choose the housing. Queues were often unrealistically long everywhere around, so “freedom to move” was often only on paper. Some cities around were straight up blocked from “peasants”, including one nearby me. It’s not as smooth and easy as you describe it, I have way more freedom now in capitalism

I’ve also lived in a smaller village, and many people are forced out of there by the economic situation of not being able to find any job because capitalism moves all jobs to the big city. Are you purposefully lying, or just misinformed?

This also happened in the union. Where do you think the masses for popping industry cities came from? So many dead villages lying around. Few years ago I traveled to the place my parents grew up in (but were forced to abandon due to jobs moving to city) and it was hard to find, almost forgotten and overtaken by nature. Weird argument, and on top of that to say I’m purposefully lying? Lmao even.

So, like a socialist country, a bunch of countries imitating socialist urban design, and another socialist country? Nothing to do with political spectrum?

These countries with good urban planning have vastly different ideologies and political systems. What was Ancient Rome, capitalistic or socialistic? Urban planning rarely has anything to do with what party is currently at the government. They’re often independant systems even where they just allocate the budget and “ok, go do your best”.

The European urban planning mostly played out before words like socialism or democracy existed.

Why are you so hurt by people having a right to retirement pensions, worker rights, extremely high unionization rates, and guaranteed employment?

Because the people who lives thru socialism have this “I deserve everything, give me all basic needs without me having to put anything back into the society” mindset while their retirement pensions are non-existent because socialist states don’t survive long

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- Riverside@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  There we go, you’re just a stemlord with a superiority complex. “Go study robotics” as if a society with 100% robotics students was sustainable. For your information I have a fucking PhD in Physics and a privileged as fuck life, but I choose not to be a cunt to the people less fortunate around me.
  
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  - REDACTED@infosec.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Here’s something to think about: Are most people incapable of living in capitalism and would fare better in socialism, or would most people feel like their growth has stagnated in socialism and are basically surviving with their basic needs being met, but not really thriving? Do you think humans by nature are lazy, or competitive? Do you think humans by nature want to constantly grow, experience new things, etc. or stay in a village?
    
    You say I have superiority complex. I say I choose something a majority would choose too (which by logic invalidates superiority argument). This is democracy, isn’t it?
    
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    Riverside@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    Here’s something to think about: Are most people incapable of living in capitalism and would fare better in socialism, or would most people feel like their growth has stagnated in socialism
    
    Judging by the surveys In Eastern Europe, people prefer socialism having lived through both. You can make up all imaginary dilemmas you want, but reality has given you the answer.
    
    I say I choose something a majority would choose too
    
    The majority can’t choose that in capitalism, the biggest predictor for success in studying is family income, and capitalism is hugely unequal. You believe you’re superior to the rest because you “made the choice to study hard”, most people don’t have that choice in the first place.
    
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