SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 3 days ago
So can MAGAts, who are more likely as a whole to be (inadvertently or otherwise) working against true American interests. I’ll grant they may not understand or realize that fact, and so are not entirely deliberately meaning to have that effect - ignorance doesn’t absolve anyone of responsibility for their actions, however.
Never mind there are plenty of young Caucasian Americans with a significant interest in… shall we say “alternative” forms of government nowadays? Sure some small proportion of those Chinese Americans may be plants, but I’ll wager a much larger majority are not & have a much stronger interest in seeing America live up to it’s oft-stated “ideals” - ones which is is failing miserably at living up to right now.
Lovstuhagen@hilariouschaos.com 3 days ago
I’d simply emphasize that these guys will never vote with America’s best interests at heart. It is hard to even say that they are “dual loyalty” like we sometimes imply about the dual citizens of Israel and the US.
A disproportinate amount of these will be people in the Chinese middle and upper classes, and they do not really even need US citizenship for their long-term interests other than potentially for university or career hopping from place to place. Their chief interests in voting will actually be reflective of Chinese interests.
More importantly, they have no real right to vote in our elections as they are not authentic citizens.
American communists and far leftists who vote for dumb policies are at least doing so as an exercise of their rights, while I feel that their votes will be transparently for their own benefit (lax immigration law, philosinic foreign policy, etc.).
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 3 days ago
Frankly, you’re blatantly full of bigoted bullshit - the dichotomy between how you opened your response, and them closed it is extremely telling in that regard. The fact is most people will vote for whatever they believe will benefit themselves the most personally, no matter their background.
Sure, maybe there are some Chinese who will vote as you say - much like there are MAGAts who blindly support whatever insane buffoonery Trump is up to. This is why turnout is so important, so the majority opinion actually wins despite attempts to manipulate the outcome.
Lovstuhagen@hilariouschaos.com 2 days ago
Guy, I have not said a single word about those who are naturalized Americans who are originally Chinese, nor did I say anything about the fully ethnic Chinese people who were born Americans and grew up in the states.
I am speaking specifically about birth tourists and their kids who are Americans on paper and nothing else, who have no real education or social formation that makes them culturally or socially Americans, let alone in some civic sense.
Call me bigoted all you want, but you forget… I have to believe you are a good faith debater making a point before such a word would ever strike a chord.