Comment on At this point, what should we do about the ICE raids? If an ICE agent breaks in without a warrant or holds you at gunpoint, what do you do?

Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  If NOT surrendering, can community defense be good? Are you a nihilist or a pessimist?

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  • minnow@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If you’re the person being arrested, your opinions are to surrender or fight and how they only beat you within an inch of your life without actually killing you (with the understanding that the chances of them killing you are increasing every day). Unless you manager to use legal force against them in which case you are 100% dead.

    Community defense is when OTHER people come to rescue you, typically using nonviolent methods to harass and inhibit the agents until they give up and leave. Of course, the chances that agents will just kill them are increasing every day, too. Either way, once you’ve been targeted you’ll likely need to go into hiding, and engaging legal council is probably a good idea even if you’re a citizen.

    I don’t think this is pessimistic or nihilistic. I feel like it’s a pretty accurate assessment of the likely possibilities. I’m open to hearing other interpretations, though.

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  • Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If not surrendering, you're toast, community or not. They'll kill you for resisting before your community can mobilize. So you end up in a different list in the back of a history textbook.

    Of those two, I lean toward classical nihilist; I believe nothing but what I've experienced in my own self. Pessimists believe that everything gets worse; My hope is that it change for the growth of our game.

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    • DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Of those two, I lean toward classical nihilist; I believe nothing but what I’ve experienced in my own self. Pessimists believe that everything gets worse; My hope is that it change for the growth of our game.

      So to you, nothing matters, so it DOESN’T matter if nothing matters?

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      • Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        When did I say anything about whether it matters or not? Belief doesn't imply importance. It matters, because the people I care about could be hurt or worse. I just don't have a belief that it's inclined towards one path or another.

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