Comment on The way my fuck-ass pharmacist makes up the remaining pills in my bastarding prescription
papalonian@lemmy.world 3 days agoThe expensive part is all markup
So we can waste the pills if we find a way to keep all the markup safe?
Also the idea that pills costs “cents to make” is pretty flawed. Even if you ignore all of the R&D money that goes in to making newer pills, the sterilized environment they need to be manufactured in is gonna jack the cost up too.
It’s like saying a cup of fresh, ice cold water that you’re getting handed to you in the middle of the desert is only “a few cents worth of water”. Yeah, but the fact that it exists in the middle of the desert for you to consume is what made it a “precious resource”.
theneverfox@pawb.social 3 days ago
The r&d costs come from government grants these days
Yes, a sterile lab is expensive, but like normal business expensive. It’s very achievable to build, drug cartels manage it just fine. Universities and YouTubers have no problem doing it with pretty modest funding
Yes, there’s overhead. But the pills themselves? The materials and production cost is cents. They themselves cost basically nothing
That’s why other countries can afford to sell them for cents - they really are that cheap to make
papalonian@lemmy.world 3 days ago
This bit right here told me that I didn’t need to take this too seriously. An actual medical lab is not comparable to cocaine plants in the Congo.
This is the exact same point from the previous comment. You cannot just look at the material cost of something and say, “see? It only costs cents to make.” Go buy a part that goes in a car engine - it’s just a few cents worth of metal! But, you can’t just take a hunk of metal and magically form it into car parts, there’s a manufacturing process and it’s expensive. That’s part of where the cost comes from. It doesn’t matter if you can make the most expensive pill in the world out of 10 cents of flour if you need a $10 million dollar assembly line to process it and turn it in to what is useful. They aren’t just taking a premade substance and pressing it into pills, there’s numerous chemical reactions and processes taking place.
You start your comment off with saying that R&D is subsidized, and end with saying “other places can sell them for cheap cuz they really are that cheap.” In these other countries, the drug company is not selling the medication directly to the public for pennies, it’s getting subsidized by the government to make it affordable for citizens. Granted the government is not paying US cash prices, but companies simply are not selling direct to consumers for 10x less than other places.
Look, this is coming from someone who fucking hates the predatory medical industry, especially that of the US. I used to work as a very small cog in it. There are absolutely places where prices are disgustingly manipulated and people are taken complete advantage of. Things exist today the way they are because of corporate greed and the continuance of putting profit over people. We can accept all of this as true, and still recognize that producing drugs at a medical grade, with medical levels of consistency and purity, is a difficult, expensive task that requires resources to accomplish. Medication needs to be cheaper (it’s my belief that it should be no direct cost to the user), but momentum is instantly removed from the cause when we use arguments based on a limited grasp of reality.
theneverfox@pawb.social 3 days ago
I think you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying.
Yes, the companies need to sell the pills for a certain amount to make a profit, due to infrastructure and overhead. The R&D is a whole complicated thing, let’s just lump it in as overhead and put it aside
The pills themselves cost basically nothing to produce each, a batch will cost money but normally they’re consistently pumping out huge batches
So, most manufacturers have programs to retrieve pills. If you have 4 pills at the end of the roll, they can be reclaimed so patients can get a complete strip, because the pills themselves cost so little. They do the same if you end up with a small number of pills left in the big bottle, you can’t mix batches because of expiration dates and expiration. So you send them back, and they give the pharmacy a credit
papalonian@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I’m sorry, I can’t continue this conversation. It’s clear that you’re just kind of saying things that sound right. Your only argument is, “the pills themselves cost nothing to make” while ignoring everything that makes the pill cost money. Economics and cost analysis does not work that way. And in 7 years of working in a pharmacy, never once have we ever sent incomplete strips of meds to the manufacturer to get a complete pack. That is just not a thing that happens anywhere on a regular enough basis for it to be taken into consideration.