Comment on How to reduce the crime rate to 0

• phutatorius@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You dont want to think immigration can be a problem because what about the feelings of immigrants.

  No, it’s just that suppressing immigration creates even worse problems that effectively managing it. Not least because it empowers sister-molesting mouthbreathing racists who should be caged.

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• Schmoo@slrpnk.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’m familiar enough with right wing misinformation to know that immigrants being responsible for increased crime - and even that crime is increasing at all - is an entirely fabricated narrative in the US. I confess not being familiar with the situation in Sweden, but I can recognize the same false narrative reflected in your previous comment.

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  • 1984@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    In Sweden its definently the case. This doesnt mean that all immigrants are criminals. It means that criminal gangs came with the other immigrants, established a foothold in the country, and are now causing a lot of gang related crime in the country.

    But that doesnt mean i dislike all immigrants or anything like that. Most are very nice people who wanted a better life here. But the problems the country has now is because of those gangs, not because of native Swedish people. It just means that immigration brought problems to the country. It happens in every country. But to the natives, its not fun to experience it.

    Immigration is very good for the immigrants. They get a better life here. And thats nice. But its not without problems for the country.

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    • phutatorius@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      In Sweden its definently the case.

      Is it? The statistics you see are probably unsound. Here’s why.

      What’s actually happening is a pipeline: P(crime_occurring) * P(crime_being_reported) * P(crime_being_investigated) * P(charges brought) * P(verdict_being_reached) * P(sentencing).

      There’s inherent bias in the reporting, in the likelihood of a crime of a given severity being investigated, the severity of charges being brought for a given crime, the likehilood of conviction based on a particular set of facts, and the severity of sentencing once a conviction has been made. All of this has been conclusively shown in a large number of different countries. There’s no reason to believe Sweden would be different. Based on some of the ignorant shit I’ve personally heard Swedes say, at least anecdotally, it is not a country free of prejudice.

      And the statistics that are actually easy to accurately measure are not at the first step in that long pipeline.

      Even worse, tthe data served up to the public via the media is often manipulated to support a given political point of view. And sometimes it’s more than manipulation, it’s outright lying. Coincidentally, some of those lies are identical to the lies being told by the far-right parties.

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