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Yes. Which is what you were doing.

You think that… citing a source… and saying that you are incorrect… is a question.

And you think that responding to me in an argument is me attempting to engage an unwilling participant by use of bad faith inquiries.

… fucking what.

By pretending they had reason to fear continuing the shutdown. You know better.

I don’t ‘know better’, as public discontent over the shutdown is serious. I fear the backlash from the shutdown. I support the shutdown continuing for the dual reasons of the inhumanity of the GOP proposal and the fact that the backlash from GOP cuts might be worse in the long run not because I believe the shutdown is some massively popular issue at the moment. Some 70% of the electorate didn’t want the Dems to pull the trigger on the shutdown - I’m glad they did anyway! But that’s really fucking different from pretending that there’s mass support for the issue.
At no point was justification offered for the eight Dems who broke ranks; only that the notion that they had the voters ‘behind them’ was ridiculous by the numbers.

And then started advocating for those who enabled netanyahu as soon as you made a lemmy account for some reason.

Ah, yes, “Please don’t assist the fascist, he’s literally more pro-Israel than even Biden”, the sin that a Very Real Leftist(tm) like yourself could never forgive. Any number of murdered minorities, after all, including additional murdered Palestinians, is worth your moral high ground of banging the drum against the great monolith of “The DEMS”

If people were blaming the shutdown on democrats, they would have lost. They won.

What the fuck?

Now their voters are seeing that they’ve been had. Your wing of the party shamelessly betrayed its voters. Well, they didn’t betray you.

Lord.

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Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

And you think that responding to me in an argument is me attempting to engage an unwilling participant by use of bad faith inquiries.

I had no desire to engage on your terms. Since I’m not named netanyahu, you don’t care what I think.

Ah, yes, “Please don’t assist the fascist, he’s literally more pro-Israel than even Biden”, the sin that a Very Real Leftist™ like yourself could never forgive.

that hasn’t been your messaging. Your messaging has been constant abuse at anyone who doesn’t like genocide for any reason at all.

Any number of murdered minorities, after all, including additional murdered Palestinians, is worth your moral high ground of banging the drum against the great monolith of “The DEMS”

You preferred the murdered minorities over telling netanyahu no.

If people were blaming the shutdown on democrats, they would have lost. They won.

What the fuck?

Centrists can’t understand the concept of a mandate from the people.

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- PugJesus@piefed.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  I had no desire to engage on your terms. Since I’m not named netanyahu, you don’t care what I think.
  
  … you’re literally here, engaging, albeit doing so with subpar literacy and reasoning skills.
  
  that hasn’t been your messaging. Your messaging has been constant abuse at anyone who doesn’t like genocide for any reason at all.
  
  Lord.
  
  You preferred the murdered minorities over telling netanyahu no.
  
  Fucking what.
  
  Do you not understand what I’m saying, or is this non-sequitur intentional?
  
  Or do you think I’m secretly Biden himself?
  
  Centrists can’t understand the concept of a mandate from the people.
  
  … fucking what.
  
  Do you… do you not understand the difference between elections at different levels of government? Do you not understand the concept of popularity and unpopularity enduring from one moment to the next, as with Mamdani’s months-long lead, or are you incapable of conceptualizing anything outside of your immediate moment of consciousness right now?
  
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  - Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    … you’re literally here, engaging
    
    But not on your terms.
    
    albeit doing so with subpar literacy and reasoning skills.
    
    There’s some of that abuse I mentioned. You just can’t help yourself.
    
    that hasn’t been your messaging. Your messaging has been constant abuse at anyone who doesn’t like genocide for any reason at all.
    
    Lord.
    
    That’s not a denial.
    
    Do you not understand what I’m saying, or is this non-sequitur intentional?
    
    Understanding it and buying it are two different things.
    
    Or do you think I’m secretly Biden himself?
    
    No, you’re to his right.
    
    Do you… do you not understand the difference between elections at different levels of government?
    
    I do. I also understand that the democrats’ brand was in the toilet because they did what pro-genocide anti-worker anti-healthcare centrists like you wanted for so long. The second it started looking like they were changing for the better and had acquired a spine, they started winning again.
    
    Turns out, no. They were just pretending to have a spine until the polls closed. Yet another shutdown where democrats get nothing because they capitulate like you want.
    
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    PugJesus@piefed.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    But not on your terms.
    
    You are literally responding to the points I raise, even if in a manner that gives no doubt as to your subpar (and by the already low standards of the American electorate) grasp of the issues.
    
    There’s some of that abuse I mentioned. You just can’t help yourself.
    
    Ah yes, the good old “I might be a genocide enabler, but you were mean to me, and that’s worse!”
    
    You never fail to trot it out.
    
    That’s not a denial.
    
    I’m sorry for your lack of reading comprehension.
    
    Understanding it and buying it are two different things.
    
    Except I didn’t expect you to ‘buy it’, I expected you to understand it, which clearly you didn’t. That’s what a non-sequitur response is - one which does not address the original point at all, not one which disagrees with it or disputes some fundamental part of it.
    
    Or do you think I’m secretly Biden himself?
    
    No, you’re to his right.
    
    Fucking lmao.
    
    I do. I also understand that the democrats’ brand was in the toilet because they did what pro-genocide anti-worker anti-healthcare centrists like you wanted for so long.
    
    I’m sorry for being a Bernie and Mamdani supporter, an anti-Zionist, and a socialist, lmao.
    
    The second it started looking like they were changing for the better and had acquired a spine, they started winning again.
    
    Again, this reflects a truly astounding lack of understanding of the interplay of the Federal shutdown with state and municipal elections.
    
    But I guess like a toddler enamored with a toy, there’s only room for one thing on your mind at any given moment.
    
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