It’s so easy to lose sight among all the gish-galloping nonsense around these topics just how long the problem has been almost fully understood and very clearly articulated. It’s absolutely devastating to think about how catastrophically the world has failed to meet the challenge he describes here in the intervening decades.
I didn’t intend to suggest that Carl Sagan invented climate science in 1985, just that the political conversation has been clear and ongoing for decades (indeed, longer than 40 years), yet the opposing narratives continue to claim it’s unproven, and the progress remains insufficient.
Cool, never implied you did,(suggest that Carl Sagan invented climate science in 1985) and happy the spirit continues in you, here for it. Science is never proven (mathematics aside), just more and more probable in most cases, at this point the “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” is anything against climate change…
Right you are, if a tad US centric, not sure the topic actually was Sagan and Congress, although Sagan for Sanders might give you some credibility. I suspect we’re on the same general side anyway and the ancientness of the argument helps both…
Thunderbird4@lemmy.world 8 months ago
40 years ago.
It’s so easy to lose sight among all the gish-galloping nonsense around these topics just how long the problem has been almost fully understood and very clearly articulated. It’s absolutely devastating to think about how catastrophically the world has failed to meet the challenge he describes here in the intervening decades.
MalReynolds@piefed.social 8 months ago
While I adore Sagan, the greenhouse effect was was proposed as early as 1824 by Joseph Fourier (yes Fourier transform dude).
Thunderbird4@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I didn’t intend to suggest that Carl Sagan invented climate science in 1985, just that the political conversation has been clear and ongoing for decades (indeed, longer than 40 years), yet the opposing narratives continue to claim it’s unproven, and the progress remains insufficient.
MalReynolds@piefed.social 8 months ago
Cool, never implied you did,(suggest that Carl Sagan invented climate science in 1985) and happy the spirit continues in you, here for it. Science is never proven (mathematics aside), just more and more probable in most cases, at this point the “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” is anything against climate change…
betanumerus@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
MalReynolds@piefed.social 8 months ago
Right you are, if a tad US centric, not sure the topic actually was Sagan and Congress, although Sagan for Sanders might give you some credibility. I suspect we’re on the same general side anyway and the ancientness of the argument helps both…