Comment on Is it possible to be a leftist, but still really enjoy capitalism?
nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 1 day agoFrom Wikipedia:
Social democracy is a social, economic, and political philosophy within socialism that supports political and economic democracy and a gradualist, reformist, and democratic approach toward achieving social equality.
While it is not an objective definition, I think it is a valid point of view to see social democracy rather as a reformist variant socialism than capitalism.
dogbert@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Read a book. Social democracy is a reformation of capitalism, not socialism. It is literally a process that starts with a capitalist country. No country has ever started with socialism and then reverted to social democracy. It is a stage of capitalism making concessions to the working class.
nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
If you were well-read in socialism, you’d know that there are a lot of disagreeing factions, and those disagreements include semantic ones over what is and isn’t socialism.
So you tell me, what is socialism? Is marxist-leninism socialism? Is Cuba socialist? Current-day China? Mao’s China? Rojava? Would a society organized in worker co-ops be socialist?
dogbert@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
Deflection. Regardless of your definition, none of the countries you listed or any other country considered socialist has ever reverted to social democracy. Again, it is a phase capitalism where concessions are given to the working class. Only capitalist countries attempt it.
nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 3 hours ago
Says the person who declines to answer simple questions.
This is the most incoherent argument I’ve read all week. What does it matter if a country reverts to what? Also, some USSR states did revert to social democracies, but that probably doesn’t count to you because of reasons. To be clear, I don’t care about your reasons for that.