Comment on Is it possible to be a leftist, but still really enjoy capitalism?

• nimpnin@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  From Wikipedia:

  Social democracy is a social, economic, and political philosophy within socialism that supports political and economic democracy and a gradualist, reformist, and democratic approach toward achieving social equality.

  While it is not an objective definition, I think it is a valid point of view to see social democracy rather as a reformist variant socialism than capitalism.

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  • dogbert@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Read a book. Social democracy is a reformation of capitalism, not socialism. It is literally a process that starts with a capitalist country. No country has ever started with socialism and then reverted to social democracy. It is a stage of capitalism making concessions to the working class.

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    • nimpnin@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      If you were well-read in socialism, you’d know that there are a lot of disagreeing factions, and those disagreements include semantic ones over what is and isn’t socialism.

      So you tell me, what is socialism? Is marxist-leninism socialism? Is Cuba socialist? Current-day China? Mao’s China? Rojava? Would a society organized in worker co-ops be socialist?

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      • dogbert@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Deflection. Regardless of your definition, none of the countries you listed or any other country considered socialist has ever reverted to social democracy. Again, it is a phase capitalism where concessions are given to the working class. Only capitalist countries attempt it.

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