Comment on Abortion Rights: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver

• Ashyr@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Then viability seems an eminently reasonable threshold. If you’re agnostic, there’s no intrinsic value to a clump of cells. If the fetus is capable of surviving on its own but can’t by virtue of being stuck in place it deserves protection.

  Of course, when it’s threatening the life of the mother then even though there’s no malice or intent, it is legally justifiable to treat it as we would anyone else who would threaten a woman’s life.

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• Tyfud@lemmy.one ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It has no life to have a right to until it’s born.

  Go ahead and tell me about all the experiences you had in your mother’s womb. About the goals and aspirations you had before you came out. Tell me about your experiences, your emotional fortitude, hell, tell me anything at all about the time before you were born, from your perspective.

  A fetus does not have a right to life, but the mother does.

  Your views are getting real people with all their dreams, aspirations, goals, hopes, etc. killed, just so you can feel a warped sense of false moral superiority for a few minutes on the Internet.

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  • Blamemeta@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The next time some lemmy user says no one is wanting 3rd trimester abortions, Im going to link your comment. Its not going to do anything but waste time, but its going to be funny.

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    • Ashyr@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No one who carries a fetus to the third trimester wants an abortion. Almost all third trimester abortions are health emergencies for women who are trying to be mothers.

      The idea that anyone would carry a pregnancy to the point your body is undergoing irrevocable changes just because they couldn’t be bothered to get around to it is absurd.

      A third trimester abortion is painful, traumatic and difficult compared to a drug-induced first trimester abortion.

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      • Blamemeta@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        lemmy.one/comment/4509649

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    • Tyfud@lemmy.one ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This isn’t the winning strategy you think it is.

      I’d explain it, but I don’t have the time or crayons for you.

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      • cricket98@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        funny how you tap out when he got you cornered

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      • Blamemeta@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Oh I know full-well its not a winning strategy.

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  • cricket98@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Go ahead and tell me about all the experiences you had in your mother’s womb. About the goals and aspirations you had before you came out. Tell me about your experiences, your emotional fortitude, hell, tell me anything at all about the time before you were born, from your perspective.

    This does not really prove any point. Should people with memory issues be killed too? They don’t remember any of their goals/aspirations/experiences, so they aren’t alive according to you. There is evidence that babies in the womb are affected by their experience in the womb.

    A fetus does not have a right to life

    Why not? You just make that claim without really backing it up.

    Your views are getting real people with all their dreams, aspirations, goals, hopes, etc. killed, just so you can feel a warped sense of false moral superiority for a few minutes on the Internet.

    People are allowed to give their opinions on a topic. Maybe you argue online for a feeling of superiority but that doesn’t mean everyone does.

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    • Olhonestjim@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Is a person with me ory issues entirely dependant for survival upon the use of another person’s body without their consent? If yes, then that person gets to decide to withdraw all care at any time.

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      • cricket98@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yes. Someone with intense mental issues cannot live without the body of another human serving them. That doesn’t mean you are allowed to intentionally murder them. There are ways for babies to survive outside the womb.

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• Kemwer@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Everyone also has the fundamental right to bodily autonomy. You can’t even force someone to do something as harmless as donate their blood, but somehow some people feel it’s just fine to hold a woman hostage and force her to host another living being, even if that might cause them terrible health issues or even their deaths… even if the “woman” in question is a child victim of sexual abuse… even if they don’t give a rat’s ass what happens to that child after birth, and will just being another child to be abused and left to die.

  If you cared about the right to life, you would support the right to women and their doctors to make the best choices for their lives, and the lives of the children that will still need to be cared AFTER being born. Sorry, but you don’t care about fetuses, you care about controlling women.

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• FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Should women who are raped be forced to bring a resulting pregnancy to term?

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