Comment on Labour Party members just defected to Your Party en masse

• ohulancutash@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Jumping in here, they’re fond of distorting the facts to make better outrage bait. They still take every opportunity to claim Palestine Action were targeting planes that were refuelling Israeli jets, the problem with that being the British refuelling system is incompatible with the one Israel uses.

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  • BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    They still take every opportunity to claim Palestine Action were targeting planes that were refuelling Israeli jets <…>

    As far as I can see they never said that. They just quoted Palestine Action saying that.
    thecanary.co/…/breaking-palestine-action-break-in…

    And the later article www.thecanary.co/…/doha-raf-refuelling-plane/ said that about F35 which can be refueled by Airbus KC3 Voyager.

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    • ohulancutash@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Israeli F35s can’t be refuelled by British tankers. They use a completely different system. If the Canary had fact-checked, they’d have realised the British tankers circling Doha were highly unlikely to be party to the Israeli attack on Qatar, as they were in fact participating in a joint exercise with… erm, Qatar.

      It’s a pity, because they cover some stuff others don’t.

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• mannycalavera@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Bothsidesing is the worst thing you can do as a news site.

  Bothsiding ? Oh we’re turning it into a verb now are we? OK. Cool.

  I have to disagree with that. Not pretending to world is simple and presenting a balanced view of a story is a mature aged responsible thing to do as a news site. Obviously people will disagree but to hide information or distort it is not news. It’s dirty propaganda.

  We need less of these kinds of site that amplify hate towards others and pretend the world is simpler than it is. No wonder we’re so fucked and divided as a country. The exact same thing Farage is doing to right wingers, sites like these are doing to left wingers.

  I have easy answers for you. Oh and by the way everyone that disagrees with me is some form of evil.

  FFS.

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  • BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s a thing, though apparently I missed a hyphen. en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bothsidesism

    Not pretending to world is simple and presenting a balanced view of a story is a mature aged responsible thing to do as a news site. <…> It’s dirty propaganda.

    So in other become corporate news and support elite class agenda of class divide by doing “fair” reporting that prevents any meaningful reform as a matter of policy. Great idea.

    There are facts and then there is perspective. Facts should be presented accurately. Not hiding your perspective is the reporting is not “propoganda”. It’s more honest to be honest since everyone knows where you stand and can decide for themselves how they feel about it.

    We need less of these kinds of site that amplify hate towards others and pretend the world is simpler than it is.

    Can you source this? I’m not aware of them amplifying hate.

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  • Wakmrow@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Lol no, it’s not mature to debate obvious falsehoods

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  • Horse@lemmygrad.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    presenting a balanced view of a story is a mature aged responsible thing to do as a news site

    no it isn’t, it’s lazy thinking for children

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• ashughes@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Bothsidesing whereby an organisation presents propaganda from the left and the right as equally factual to construct a straw man of a middle ground as truth is definitely bad, as is presenting one side’s propaganda as the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

  I expect any legitimate news outlet to inform the public of the nuance on a given topic because it is within the nuance where the truth often lies. It is then helpful and informative to present how “both sides” are trying to frame that topic by excluding the nuance, thereby obscuring the truth. Journalism as a public service is there to inform me about what is happening in depth and in a debiased manner so I can think critically about it (if the UK has any news outlets that meet this standard, that’s news to me). Painting real, hard journalism as “bothsidesing” only serves to destroy the concept of nuance, which is just about the only thing both sides can agree on: destroy the middle ground and they’ll be able to keep us pawns fighting forever.

  You may think having a Nigel Farage or Fox News for the left brings balance but it doesn’t. It only serves to keep us fighting each other rather than fighting the status quo. If you’re reading the Canary solely for entertainment and are able to consistently view it as such then fair enough I guess, just don’t call it news.

  To be clear, I am not claiming that you personally are participating in any of the above, just calling out a general worrying trend I am witnessing in our discourse.

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