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• pebbles@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Now hold up. We’ll start having too much fun with relativism if you keep talking like that.

  But even being a relativist, I find being a utilitarian is really helpful for actually interacting with the world. It’s just that whatever formula you use will always be shit from the perspective of another totally legit value system.

  All that to say: Yeah I agree, doesn’t matter if he thought he was Jesus. He was causing real harm to people.

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  • msage@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    He took money to harm others. There are few more evil positions.

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    • pebbles@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think objective morality gives blind spots because it can be a bit thought terminating. If you keep asking why something is good or bad, you’ll eventually find yourself at an assumption that isn’t really better than, “thats just what I feel”.

      But also I get it if you don’t see it that way. I couldn’t make the phrase “good and bad are two sides of the same coin” be anything but a lie for a few years. And maybe I’m just crazy for having that make sense to me now.

      But I really think that value systems and world views can’t be ranked in a vaccume. Therefore I don’t see any objectiveness.

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      • msage@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’m not saying everything can be ranked. There is a gray zone, there is an acceptable zone, and there is a line, which always must exist, and when anyone crosses it, they must be removed from society.

        That’s why we have justice system.

        Preaching hate on innocents is not legally forbidden (well, depends on the country), but it is morally wrong.

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• eager_eagle@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m not saying it’s right, I’m saying the version of the story they tell themselves isn’t the same version others have.

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