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helenslunch@feddit.nl 11 months agoWorkers already are the ones who design and build machines
Engineers design machines, not sewer cleaners.
You are attacking a straw man.
I don’t know what you meant by this if not to imply that it’s not profitable:
Business owners are bound by the profit motive, not by a motive to improve the experience of workers.
unfreeradical@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Engineers are workers.
Sewer cleaners are workers.
Neither are business owners, who make the decisions within enterprise, about how workers use enterprise.
If business owners decide that engineers may design machines, that factory workers may then build, and that sewer cleaners may then utilize, then the events may occur. Otherwise, not, and the determining force is the profit motive, not the will or workers.
At any particular time, some automation may be profitable, and some automation may not be profitable.
The straw man you attacked was my alleged claim that no automation is ever profitable.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 11 months ago
Yes but sewer cleaners do not have the capacity to create automations…that’s why they clean sewers. That’s what we were discussing.
unfreeradical@lemmy.world 11 months ago
We are discussing the reasons certain workers may be prevented from having better experiences through automation, even if development, manufacturing, and utilization of relevant automated systems are possible in principle, through the collective capacities of workers as a class.
You asserted the premise that the non-existence of certain systems of automation is evidence of the impossibility of their being caused to exist.
The premise is obviously false.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 11 months ago
No, we are discussing why people choose to work cleaning sewers. Then someone suggested we could automate the jobs. Then I suggested if we could, we would have already (because profits). Then you suggested that only sewer workers could automate those kind of jobs because it wasn’t profitable for companies to do so.