Comment on The Brits who want to overthrow the state
Lemming421@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Of course we want a revolution.
We voted out the Conservatives after fifteen years, only to replace them with a Labour government who are indistinguishable from the previous regime.
All Starmer is doing is pandering to the even-more-right-wing Reform voters, further alienating the Left.
He’s a genocide denying, Israel and Trump supporting fascist who’s cracking down on peaceful protests and arresting 80 year old former magistrates for holding signs.
But the trouble with a revolution is you need to ensure that what you get afterwards isn’t even more authoritarian than what you got rid of.
That’s why you can’t just put the politicians and the billionaires up against the wall and let God sort them out. You need a Plan.
Arguably, due to the utter failure of conservatism, it is the responsibility of what was the “left” to protect and salvage what is possible from the UK’s culture, institutions and industry and create a path forward out of neoliberal and American hegemonic collapse.
This would be true reform. The danger is more extreme market liberals or fascists gain a foothold and irrevocably fuck the nation.
Sure, but due to us having the same problems with First Past The Post that the Americans do, we still end up voting against a party rather than for the one we want.
If I’d voted Green in the last election, it wouldn’t have been a vote for Labour, which (at the time) were the only party that had a chance of getting rid of the “safe” Tory in my constituency.
Now that Labour have destroyed any reputation of being “for the people” that they may have had in order to try and sway the Nazis that will vote Reform, they (hopefully) won’t be getting any votes from the left next time.
Hopefully the Greens and the new Corbyn/Sultana party will be sensible in where they field candidates so as not to split that voter base.
We’re too far out for me to guess if a Tory/Reform coalition might be possible next time, but it’s a terrifying thought…
Unfortunately it’s not just the multiple parties. But left wing voters unwillingness to compromise,
Honestly for right wing voters the only thing that matters is keeping the left out.
But the left vote has always split over the smallest of idealism.
Unfortunately we will never beat FPTP without coming together to do just that.
echodot@feddit.uk 15 hours ago
I don’t know, your wall idea seems pretty good.
I’m certain that a lot of the problems in this country stems from the fact that everything is in London. In the US you’ve got loads of major cities other than the capital, this forces politicians to actually be aware of local problems (not that it’s working very well right now).
In the UK everything’s in London. In the US if a major show happens you assume it’s going to be in New York or LA, not Washington.
So we’re doing the wall thing and then we’re moving government out of the capital, let’s see how interested they are in improving the economy and social housing when they’re forced to do everything from Bradford or Middlesbrough.