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v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 5 days agoHoneybees destroy ecosystems because they’re more efficient at pollination than wild bees are, so there’s an ecological nuance to abstaining from honey. Apart from that, there’s the ethical component of taking away food that the bees produce for themselves that’s not ours for the taking.
Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 3 days ago
Farming has an far greater impact on the ecosystem. There is no way to live for humans without completely reshaping their environment. We evolved as an invasive species.
If you’re moral argument to call for a boycott of honey is honey bee’s impact on the ecosystem rather than their enslavement and exploitation to humans, your only reasonable moral course of action is Fruitarianism using only fruits growing in the wild - basically an Orang Utan or Gorilla lifestyle. That choice has been made some 4-5 million years ago, when our ancesters became an invasive species in the savanna and began our first reshaping of ecosystems. Good luck reversing that choice.
v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
No, it was not meant as a moral argument but the ecological impact of eating honey and supporting honey farming and beekeeping, as stated in my comment. The ethical argument is the same with any other animal that could be, but shouldn’t be from my point of view, exploited for our gain.
Plus there’s a difference between harvesting the literal nourishment of a species that requires it for their own suatainment and using them for crops and their pollination: one of them is easily avoidable and unnecessary, the other is a necessary evil but ultimately still required if I want to keep on living.
The most ecological and ethically sound conclusion then would be to just stop existing, but I don’t have a deathwish, so that’s the least harmful option out of the ones I have.
Capitalism is founded on exploitation of other people, our environment, animals, whatnot, so I don’t have any other option until capitalism is overturned and another form of governing rule is established, desirable but currently not possible, so all I can do is minimise the impact I have on the environment, on animals, on other people as much as possible.
Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 22 hours ago
I’m afraid another form of governing rule would not change the exploitation of the environment, animals or people - humans always exploited the environment and animals regardless of the system of government or economics. We’d need a cultural shift from an individualistic self-centered culture to a culture that accepts our position as one part of a complex interconnected ecological and social network.
v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 20 hours ago
Unlikely, yes. Both would likely be required