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There will always be tension between where ideology, and hopes of a better world, meet with what is currently achievable.

So an independent investigation into our current involvement in Gaza isn’t currently achievable for what reason? What part of a better world are we missing, where a supposedly democratic nation, can’t carry out an independent check on it’s public offices?

This is just pure virtue signaling.

As the trustee of a food bank

Pot. Kettle.

The idea that by purposefully throwing away your vote is somehow morally better than voting once every 5 years for the lesser of two evils is asinine in the extreme.

Call it whatever you like, but what’s asinine is to keep voting for the same party, and expecting different results.

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hellothere@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

So an independent investigation into our current involvement in Gaza isn’t currently achievable for what reason? What part of a better world are we missing, where a supposedly democratic nation, can’t carry out an independent check on it’s public offices?

I am continuing to talk about Labour’s manifestos, their electoral results in 2017, 2019, and 2024, and how it’s a frustrating reality that a) you can’t change anything if you aren’t in power, and b) getting in to power requires adjusting the offering based on what is currently possible.

Pot. Kettle.

I know you know this, but actually doing something that has an impact is not virtue signalling. We fed over 8k people last year, and that’s much more helpful to the working class than failing to get elected.

If purity is the reason you do nothing, instead of something, then you’re part of the problem.

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- javiwhite@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  actually doing something that has an impact is not virtue signalling. We fed over 8k people last year, and that’s much more helpful to the working class than failing to get elected.
  
  Nobody is suggesting feeding people is virtue signalling, stop with the strawman already. I’m suggesting that pointing to your work at a food bank and then banging on about “being morally better” and “virtue signalling” in the very next breath is laughable.
  
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  - hellothere@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Please re-read my comments, you’ll see what I’ve written is not what you’re claiming it is.
    
    I’m always happy to talk about routes of how we get to a better place, but if you’re just wanting to argue then I’ll pass.
    
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    javiwhite@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    if purity is the reason you do nothing, instead of doing something, then you’re part of the problem.
    
    I’m always happy to talk about routes of how we get to a better place, but if you’re just wanting to argue then I’ll pass.
    
    So long as it fits your world view you mean; else it’s inflammatory language like I’m ‘doing nothing’ or I’m ‘Virtue signalling’ and being ‘part of the problem’, but of course, I’m the one looking to argue.
    
    I already established a very obvious talking point for a route to get to a better place, and it starts with the tribunal kier and his cronies refuse to have, but that talking point was brushed over rather than addressed so whilst your words fit the bill, your actions certainly do not.
    
    The one thing we can agree on is that this conversation is pointless. Our priorities clearly differ greatly, to the point where a separate party just makes sense. You can call it pissing in the wind, or a waste of a vote, doing nothing etc… but that’s exactly how I view voting for labour in the next election; they’re going to bleed votes to reform and SNP, and then you’ve got the left wing voters who want to see actual change, rather than this Tory lite approach to politics jumping ship too. The only people left will be the centrists; and that’s never going to win an election.
    
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