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hellothere@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

There will always be tension between where ideology, and hopes of a better world, meet with what is currently achievable.

What is achievable depends on load of factors; what technology exists, how wealth is concentrated, how divided people are, etc etc.

It’s the 1500+ days between elections that we must work to shift these factors closer towards where we want to be, so people support policies rather than reject them.

I’d love to be in a situation where overnight everyone realised it’s the ultra rich that are the problem, and band together to peacefully redistribute based on nerd. But that isn’t where we are.

I refuse to have the blood of innocent children on my hands

This is just pure virtue signaling. The idea that by purposefully throwing away your vote is somehow morally better than voting once every 5 years for the lesser of two evils is asinine in the extreme.

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javiwhite@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

There will always be tension between where ideology, and hopes of a better world, meet with what is currently achievable.

So an independent investigation into our current involvement in Gaza isn’t currently achievable for what reason? What part of a better world are we missing, where a supposedly democratic nation, can’t carry out an independent check on it’s public offices?

This is just pure virtue signaling.

As the trustee of a food bank

Pot. Kettle.

The idea that by purposefully throwing away your vote is somehow morally better than voting once every 5 years for the lesser of two evils is asinine in the extreme.

Call it whatever you like, but what’s asinine is to keep voting for the same party, and expecting different results.

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- hellothere@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  So an independent investigation into our current involvement in Gaza isn’t currently achievable for what reason? What part of a better world are we missing, where a supposedly democratic nation, can’t carry out an independent check on it’s public offices?
  
  I am continuing to talk about Labour’s manifestos, their electoral results in 2017, 2019, and 2024, and how it’s a frustrating reality that a) you can’t change anything if you aren’t in power, and b) getting in to power requires adjusting the offering based on what is currently possible.
  
  Pot. Kettle.
  
  I know you know this, but actually doing something that has an impact is not virtue signalling. We fed over 8k people last year, and that’s much more helpful to the working class than failing to get elected.
  
  If purity is the reason you do nothing, instead of something, then you’re part of the problem.
  
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  - javiwhite@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    actually doing something that has an impact is not virtue signalling. We fed over 8k people last year, and that’s much more helpful to the working class than failing to get elected.
    
    Nobody is suggesting feeding people is virtue signalling, stop with the strawman already. I’m suggesting that pointing to your work at a food bank and then banging on about “being morally better” and “virtue signalling” in the very next breath is laughable.
    
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    hellothere@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Please re-read my comments, you’ll see what I’ve written is not what you’re claiming it is.
    
    I’m always happy to talk about routes of how we get to a better place, but if you’re just wanting to argue then I’ll pass.
    
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