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redballooon@lemm.ee 8 months agoYour second bullet point implies that Israel won’t exist at a point of “peace”.
That depends what you mean by “Israel”. I don’t think it can be an exclusively Jewish ethnostate. That means excluding Palestinians who have equal claims to the territory and I don’t see how that can lead to anything but oppression and further cycles of violence.
But sure it can exist as a state. They just can’t do military occupation etc.
There are several highly armed groups and Iran whose explicit goal is to remove Israel from the map, implying removing the Jews there one way or another.
As soon as Israel loses support from the West, it can not push back military, and there will be no diplomatic solution.
Oh, I didn’t mean totally lose support, I agree and that would suck. I meant lose support for the occupation and operations into Gaza. I see no problem defending Israel from an invasion same as I support Ukraine against Russia’s invasion and previously protested against the US’ various invasions and operations.
Teodomo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I didn’t took it to mean “Israel will be erased” but “Israel and Palestina will be fused”. So maybe it won’t be named Israel but Israel-Palestina (kinda like Bosnia-Herzegovina) or something like that. Of course that seems impossible today but who knows, maybe there’s a timeline where that’s the name of the country 500 years into the future.
redballooon@lemm.ee 8 months ago
You think antisemitism will be removed enough in 500 years to allow that? I would be glad if that was conceivable, but that’s something so deeply ingrained in so widely different societies all over the world, I don’t see it happening.
Look into the history of antisemitism to get a feeling how this is different than “just” your usual tension between neighboring ethnicities.
Teodomo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yep, I know antisemitism has a long long story, my great grandparents came to my country running away from it at the start of the last century. And islamophobia is going really strong right now too. But I do think there’s higher chances of things like that happening between the years 2000-2500 than between 1000-2000. If the recent pattern with Christianity also happens to Islam and Judaism, fervent religious feeling might diminish in the long term (even if there’s occasional flare-ups here and there) and that coupled with sheer time/centuries might help ease the tensions.