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unfreeradical@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

That’s a disingenuous way to frame it.

No. The issue is that you are engaged in a contradiction.

You have agreed that problems for groups that are disempowered is a consequence of one small group holding power.

Yet, you have also tacitly defended, as the form of system you most prefer, a system in which one small group holds power.

Under almost any system, those traits are somewhat advantageous when it comes to power

I agree.

For such reasons, as well as others, I would defend the assertion that problems for groups that are disempowered is a consequence of one small group holding power.

Very few if any other democracies…

…when there’s almost none for those at the bottom.

I have no idea how any of it is related to resolving the issues identified as consequent of one small group holding power.

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Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Yet, you have also tacitly defended, as the form of system you most prefer, a system in which one small group holds power.

I’ve done no such thing. Which small group are you imagining I’m advocating for being in charge of everything?

issues identified as consequent of one small group holding power.

Identified by your own faulty logic. It’s extremely reductive to pretend that how many people have power is in itself the only problem rather than for example how that power is (ab)used and how little is done to hold those people accountable.

The lack of social mobility for poor and otherwise marginalised people is one of the main reasons for the concentration of power. That and people like you ignoring any part of the problem that isn’t directly related to a tiny portion of the causality.

I can reach no understanding of how any of it is

Seems about true.

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- unfreeradical@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Let’s make it simple.
  
  A system may take one of three forms:
  
  One group holds power, and the group holding power exacerbates problems for those who are disempowered.
  
  One group holds power, and that group holding power does not exacerbate problems for those who are disempowered.
  
  Power is not held by a particular group.
  
  You have implied two assertions are both true:
  
  The preferred system is (1).
  
  It is possible to achieve (1).
  
  Would you please justify one or both assertions?
  
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  - Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Let’s make it simple.
    
    No, let’s not. Oversimplification was your mistake from the start.
    
    A system may take one of three forms
    
    Ridiculous.
    
    Would you please justify one or both assertions?
    
    Nope, because I never claimed either thing. I’m not going to validate your strawman argument by acting as if it’s logically sound.
    
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    Cruxifux@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You’re a more patient man than me. I would have stopped acknowledging that guy like two replies ago.
    
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    unfreeradical@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    A system may take one of three forms
    
    Ridiculous.
    
    If so, then it should be trivial for you to show an alternative.
    
    Please do so.
    
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