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sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 days agoAre they in breach right now?
Evidently no…
But the entire problem at this point is that no one actually knows what the actual, specific guidelines even are.
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MC + Visa get pressured from Aussie Puritans.
MC + Visa basically have a Zoom call with Steam and Itch, and tap on the gigantic sign in the backdrop, at one specific rule.
Steam and Itch then do their best to interperet that as broadly as possible, update their own policies.
Gamers revolt, blow up MC + Visas phones and emails.
MC and Visa backpedal, claim that well actually, Step 2 didn’t go down like that, they were actually pressured by… all their other partner client banks, whom they also largely lord over with an extreme power imbalance?
New local laws, which are not specified at all?
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The entire problem is that MC and Visa just thought they could swing their dick around, make vague threats, leave Steam and Itch to … figure out all the details… and then that blew up in their faces.
Had they actually done a legitimate amount of research, such that they could actually give much more specific guidelines, you know maybe involving Steam and Itch in the process, in a mutually collaborative way, instead of an authoritarian way?
Well then this mess would not have happened.
And now, actually doing this is the only way to fix the situation.
… They could have just done this from the get go, and not have caused mass confusion and a huge consumer revolt.
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So this all isn’t me disagreeing with you, its basically me agreeing, yes-anding, just expanding on how the entire fucking problem didn’t even need to exist, the problem is the utter lack of clarity and specificity, was borne out of total hubris on the part of MC + Visa.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
I just think, if it went to court, Valve would MC’s lunch. So I’m not sure they should be worried about being in breach of terms (that they haven’t even breached).
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 days ago
I hear you, but I wouldn’t go that far.
You think Steam is a money printing machine?
MC and Visa are payment processors.
Literally every credit or debit transaction that involves them? Oh yeah, they shave a penny or two or sometimes more off of that transaction.
Thats a fucking money printing machine, they unironically have at least 10,000x more money to throw at lawyers than Valve does.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
It doesn’t matter how many lawyers you have, when Valve is literally simply not in violation of the terms of their contract.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
And it is the legal system that determines whether or not a contract has or has not been breached.
Just like it is also the legal system that determines whether or not a company is a harfmul monopoly.
Your opinion is one I agree with, but that isn’t how things work, therr has to be an official arbiter that agrees with or disagrees with that, and those arbiters are called courts, which are full of lawyers making arguments, and the best lawyers tend to cost the most money.
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Also… what, is Valve going to sue Visa and MC for… Visa and MC choosing not to do business with them?
There is no legal mechanism that forces Visa and MC to do business with Valve, that punishes Visa and MC should they choose not to.
This is like suing a person at a farmer’s market for not buying an apple.
Or, that is roughly what Visa and MC’s lawyers would argue.