Comment on Australia tests new long-range missile capable of hitting targets 500km away

• Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Ah yes, it’s the israeli’s fault they don’t subscribe to a backwards religion, treat their women like cattle, and spend most of their time praying to a god that doesn’t exist instead of working to improve diplomatic relations and business capacity of their own countries.

  Thats just weird to call a country founded on a religion thats older than Islam, and quite closely related in many ways not backwards, if Islam is a backwards religion then the same can be said of Judaism and Christianity.

  Most of what you said there can just as easily be laid at Israel’s feet. Sans treat their women like cattle, but they treat other humans, like arab Israelis, or Gazans, or west bankers like cattle, so they aren’t any better, they just target different groups.

  But I don’t blame these peoples religions for any of their immoral behaviours, its not the religion that makes a crap human, its their lack of empathy and morals to those they deem as other to their own.

  As far as improving diplomatic relations, and improving business capacity Israel should also listen to that advice. Their actions since October 7th have vanished all semblance of a ‘most moral army’ concept. Their actions before Oct 7th were already leading to hard questions about colonialism. They’ve materially hurt their international business prospects to a level akin to coal companies, this effects things like borrrowing capacity, complicates expansion and mergers in a less friendly world, they are costs that must be borne. Of course their great benefactor, USA, will ease this pain a great deal but even they can only do so much.

  Take these much vaunted Abraham Accords, the autocrat MBS is now in a position where to proceed with them could destabilize their piece of shit regime due to the ill feeling in Arab nations about the treatment of Gazans. So if international diplomacy and business relations were really that important here, Israel again is just as bad as the rest.

  Take their judicial system, it has been undermined by its executive branch time and again, making a mockery of a ‘rule of law’, something pretty essential to inspire business investment. Not to mention the lack of justice the aforementioned Arab-Israelis, and Palestinians recieve.

  Their key difference, it seems, is again they have the force of the worlds largest military, and possibly largest economy full square behind them, allowing Israel to defy gravity. But lets not believe they are any better, its long since past that those arguments could be made.

  I’ll have a read of the South Korea contract piece, looks interesting.

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  • Eyekaytee@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Oh, and stock markets tend to do well when governments flush the econony with cash. It shouldn’t be a surprise that Israel’s stock market is doing well while their government spends money on weapons, manpower, et al, to attack its neighbours.

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    • Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’ve never claimed the other side are full of lovely people, thats not point. There you go again with your equivalences. Let me explain, when one person murders a brother and that victim’s brother then goes and murders the original murderers brother, two crimes have been committed, and each murderer is answerable for their crimes. You ikplicitly advocate eye for an eye with your tacit support of Israels actions. Eye for an eye simply leads to ongoing feuds, as we see a lot of with Israel and their neighbours, time for a different approach.

      You’re a massive fan of Israel obviously, but try looking at the experience from the other side. The crimes they’ve committed aren’t forgotten, theres a long history there, and it doesn’t do anyone well to ignore one side in favour of the other. The colonial take over of that land, the ongoing persecution of the people i’ve already mentioned isn’t absolved because they’ve had crimes committed against them. Its perplexing that i have to restate this.

      My point about NZ is they’re the only country we can rely on to a high degree, not whatever you think i said about their miltary and technological capability. I’ve said this a couple different ways now.

      I think the disconnect is your impressed and argue that we should cleave to powerful allies, whereas i’m impressed and argue that we should cleave to those willing to uphold some semblance of moral values. Until we both realise we aren’t valuing the same things here, we won’t be able to see the others point of view.

      All you said about Israel’s economy was a bit wasted, i actually accounted for that and didn’t dismiss it. But to ignore the fact their close relationship and support from the United States, and European countries like Britain and France and their efforts in building up that place as an ‘unsinkable aircraft carrier’ misses the point of why their economy is so ‘blessed’. I find it incredible you would ignore that. There are few economies that can sustainably pull themselves up without massive support from benefactors, Israel isn’t incredible, its a natural outcome of continued unquestioning investment and support. My point is, thats been put at risk, and made harder since their behaviour since Oct 7th, and now they aren’t materially different from their neighbours in that regard.

      Left wing progressives don’t tend to let go of things. They’ve been on this train for a long time. I generally find its good to listen to those people, they aren’t shunted off on a different tangent like the rest of society so easily is. Thats my experience with left wing progresssives, maybe we’ve had different interactions there.

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      • Eyekaytee@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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