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Why say “deleting yourself”?

That’s how I speak and write.

Are we really going to censor our speech here too?

You do you.

There’s no advertisers to spook by saying killing or committing suicide

I know, as I’ve hosted my own Lemmy instance on several occasions. There are a lot of social and networking issues an admin has to consider depending on the content and tone they’re willing to accept on their instance but that’s besides the point.

The point is that I moderate my speech or of consideration to my fellow human beings and not advertising companies.

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LoreleiSankTheShip@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Fair enough, I can’t argue with that. Language shifts and evolves I suppose, but it still seems problematic to me that the people (not you specifically) change the way they speak to suit an algorithm and not the other way around.

And that’s not even mentioning the fact that many people are perfectly alright with using “unalive” and “delete” instead of “kill” or “die” but can’t bring themselves to use trans inclusive language, for example. Again, not refering to you with this, you were just the unfortunate person to receive my albeit unwanted rant.

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- DrDystopia@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  
  it still seems problematic to me that the people (not you specifically) change the way they speak to suit an algorithm and not the other way around.
  
  Well I actively hacked at the X-Twitter shadowban algo to prove censorship to the point where my account was not only shadowbanned but shadowblocked. Can’t even log in to delete my account anymore. But I suppose that’s the opposite of what you’re describing.
  
  many people are perfectly alright with using “unalive” and “delete” instead of “kill” or “die” but can’t bring themselves to use trans inclusive language
  
  There’s an important difference, censorship forces people to adhere to synthetic rules. It’s harder to force people to be inclusive or nice.
  
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jasory@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
“consideration to my fellow human beings”.

Because your fellow human beings are so profoundly stupid as to not understand that “delete” and “kill” have the same semantic value in that sentence?

If you are going to argue for word replacement it should be for stylistic reasons (rhyming, alliteration, humour, etc), or semantic reasons, as in actually changing the meaning of the statement.

Changing the wording of statement, while retaining the same semantic value, does nothing to reduce offense when the semantic value is what would cause offense.

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- DrDystopia@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  
  Because your fellow human beings are so profoundly stupid as to not understand that “delete” and “kill” have the same semantic value in that sentence?
  
  No, because people could be traumatized by suicide and get a reaction every time they hear the word. I compare your argument to refusing to stop blasting off crackers around war veterans, it’s obviously not gunshots and vets are not stupid enough to mistake them for gunshots.
  
  If you are going to argue for word replacement it should be
  
  No, I argue just the way I like.
  
  Changing the wording of statement, while retaining the same semantic value, does nothing to reduce offense when the semantic value is what would cause offense.
  
  I’m not trying to reduce offense, I’m trying to be considerate. But it seems that’s an unknown concept to you. I see no point in communicating with you further, good bye and I wish you a life as nice as you are.
  
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  - jasory@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    “I compare your argument to refusing to stop setting off firecrackers…”
    
    Which would be in error because they are disanalogous. There is a substantial psychological difference between word substitution, and a reflexive reaction to similar sounds, that are then evaluated to be different later on. Just because it seems instantaneous to you, doesn’t mean that the individual does not actually believe they are under fire even momentarily, can you say the same for someone reading the word “suicide”?
    
    “I argue just the way I like”
    
    Which is logically unsound.
    
    “I’m trying to be considerate… something you don’t understand.”
    
    All you are doing is patting yourself on the back over something that doesn’t matter. You may think that you are helping people, but you simply aren’t.
    
    “A life as nice as you are”
    
    Thank you. I think you are confusing refusing to pander to idiocy, with being mean. You can be an extremely beneficial person to others without endorsing every single view or action they make.
    
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