I wholeheartedly agree with you for the most part, but one thing confuses me. You say
Fucking DJ sets are walking around using synths instead of analog instruments […]
Synthesizers can be both analog or digital. Neither is even remotely comparable to AI music, as there is still a very real composer. Is this a typo/misunderstanding? Thanks for clarification!
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 4 days ago
just trying to contrast the use of synths to replace musicians that would have to perform with the DJ. Or drum machines, or whatever.
I wasn’t trying to contrast analog/digital synths, just “fake” instruments to “real” ones.
Carnelian@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Sorry, I’m not sure what you mean?
DJs never performed with bands? Disc Jockey. They’ve always played pre-recorded music.
Synthesizers also aren’t used to replace musicians. It’s a totally different sound. That’s like saying the piano replaced the upright bass because it can hit all the same notes. Just not how that works.
Also why throw shade at synths at all? They’re very far from fake instruments, if you’ve ever sat down to actually understand them and listen to synthesizer dominant music outside of the 80s pop you dislike so much
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The idea is drawing paralels to already established bullshit that’s been “putting musicians out of business”. A person doing a DJ set for a “live gig” like Skrillex should be seen as putting musicians out of business if this stupid elevator music tier AI BS is being put up on spotify. Compare and contrast Skrillex with modern Igorrr, he has like 4 people on stage with him doing a DJ set, Skrillex (or insert solo DJ "performer here) is just alone on stage.
They had the same fear with synthesisers, “who needs a trumpet or flute player when the Moog synthesizer can do it all?! Look at it play an orchestra’s worth of sounds on “Switched on Bach”!”
I guess I need to put a signature or whatever on these AI posts : “my point isn’t that AI is awesome, it’s that human beings have been doing this shit long before neural net AIs came along to make this shit up”. The point of the post is “Nobody Cares If Music Is Real Anymore” My point is “They haven’t for fucking ages, why the tears now?”. It’s not “AI generated music great” , its “Humans have been making soulless slop forever”
Also : “Artists already made art worthless during the post modern era with Warhol and Pollock; what are you getting mad at software developers for?”
Carnelian@lemmy.world 2 days ago
No I get what you’re trying to say, the problem is your arguments make no sense
The number of musicians on the stage is irrelevant. I’ve seen plenty of shows with a single guitarist. They aren’t costing other musicians anything by doing their own thing
You also are trying to make the point that people “suddenly” care just because it’s AI even though you reference nearly 50 year drama in the same post
Yea there are parallels between the AI slop situation and other technological advances (invention of the camera, moving pictures, typewriters, and so on) which you are trying to illustrate but your illustrations are misguided. There’s a clear difference, and your strategy of throwing artists under the bus isn’t going to accomplish anything. Not that you seem to actually want to accomplish anything other than making some grand proclamation about society